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:It's a "bleeding-edge" style, if you will - that's the style that we'll eventually use across all our card pages, but {{t|Card table set}} isn't actually ready for general use; I have at least one change planned that will break all current transclusions, and there's work on other templates that also has to be done before it's ready to go. For now, if you see it on any card pages, you should remove it. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">「[[User:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#00f;">ディノ</span><span style="color:#080;">奴</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#F90;">千？！</span>]]」<sup>[[wikipedia:Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|☎ Dinoguy1000]]</sup></span> 07:17, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
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Bug update

The archetype navboxes still don't seem to be working right. I thought all of that was fixed. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:47, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Guess those Admins are little lazy. --FredCat 23:49, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
I certainly am, but I can't speak for the other admins... ;) Cheesedude, can you provide links to archetype navboxes that are still not displaying correctly, and specify how they should be displaying? Without examples and knowing exactly what's wrong, I may not be able to fix them. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:24, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
See Yokai Monster It's displaying members that appears in the TCG and support cards from the manga. Manga-only monsters are not displaying for whatever reason. Also, the navbox at Blackwing is missing massive amounts of cards in all three subsections. I don't know of any others off-hand, but I'm sure there are some. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:49, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
I've tried applying some fixes to {{ArchetypeNavbox}} and assorted concepts, but SMW's behavior seems to have changed in several ways in the most recent update, and I was never really familiar with it in the first place. If my changes don't fix the missing cards, you'll probably have to ask Deltaneos to have a look. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:52, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
I hate to say this, but whatever you did appears to have removed the manga support cards from the Yokai Monster navbox. I'll contact Deltaneos, then. Thanks. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:12, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
Heh, I have to admit, that's awesome. =D Here's hoping Delt can fix/has fixed it. ;) 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:14, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
Apparently the problem is that redirects are no longer accepted for the navboxes. Since some archetype pages were moved, this mucked it up. I actually sort of forgot about moving the rest of the archetype pages, but now I'm glad I did, since there's cleanup to be done, which would be easier with a bot's help *hinthint* Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:46, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm horribly inconsistent in running my bot. ;) The problem is, I add rules for it to fix issues as I come across them, and I have the problem of trying to add rules that are beyond my capabilities at the time, so I stop with the intention to revisit them later, and it never happens. The most recent thing responsible for this is an attempt to auto-add the animanga appearances templates; I suspect there's a bug in AWB's regex handling but I'm dragging my feet about reporting/asking about it. =D
In any case, if you give me a list, I can make a bot run specifically to update archetypes (and the more I can do at once, the better *hinthint* ). 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:15, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Update list

The following need to be changed from their plural forms. For archetype, archsupport and archrelated, where applicable.

  • There may be some pages that are still using "Machine Emperor", "Machine Emperors", "Meklords", "Machine Imperial Soldier" and "Machine Imperial Soldiers". The first three should now be "Meklord" and the last two should be "Meklord Army".
  • There's also a possibility that there are some pages still using OCG archetype names before the TCG names were confirmed. "Inverz" should be "Steelswarm", "Tech Genus" should be "T.G.", "Rituas"/"Ritua" should be "Gishki" and "Vairon"/Vairons" should be "Vylon". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:14, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
All right, I'll try to get started on this later today; in the meantime, list any others you think of/come across/rename. ;) 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:29, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
You got it. I should time to move some more pages tomorrow, assuming we do want go through with moving the rest of the pages. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:32, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
It's been several months now since this was started, and (as far as I know) not one person has posted a comment saying they think it shouldn't happen, much less providing any sort of argument as to why they might think that way. The people who were reverting the moves probably just didn't understand why the pages were being renamed. I'd say, start up again. ;) 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:45, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
When I said "Admin", I don't referring to Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia's Admins, I am referring to one who was such to improve and flipping the wikia (general) sites. They are little lazy for not complete this part. --FredCat 18:03, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
Aah, I see. A better term for Wikia employees would probably be "sysadmin" or "staff". ;) 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:12, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
Yup, that's them. --FredCat 18:21, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
Maybe it's time to take out the cheese out of his skull... He just took his name out of this article like a foolish! *shake my head in pitiful* --FredCat 01:18, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
Ehh, maybe he just needs a bit of sleep... ;) It takes a lot of skill to be able to edit wikis when you're dead-tired and not make huge mistakes (of course, if Cheesedude *wasn't* tired, then I have no idea what caused him to slip up like that) (and yeah, I'm speaking from personal experience here). =D 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:08, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
Sure, let's go with that. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:07, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
^@^ 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 15:46, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
*had some experience with Pokemon just now* Machoke, Sleep Powder!
*Cheesedude is now sleep*
It's Super Effective!--FredCat 16:01, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
Heh. I hated Zubats myself... The little bastards, always using "Confusion"... =P 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:11, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
FredCat, I'm pretty damn sure Machoke can't learn Sleep Powder. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:09, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
Then explain this; http://www.halolz.com/2010/11/28/machoke-used-pound/ (Had to put on nowiki to prevent the click-able) --FredCat 12:39, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Someone decided to redirect "Masked Hero" to "Masked Hero". Now I cannot find the actual page content in the edit history anywhere. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:18, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Special:Undelete/Masked_Hero is it somewhere there? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:21, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
Got it, thanks Falzar. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:24, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Done. All pages that are still at plurals are because their singular forms have actual pages, or because I thought the plural form made more sense in that case (Six Attributes, for example]]). Hopefully I didn't miss any. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:57, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about those screw-ups and fixing the "Valkyrie" page. I did the same thing at "XX-Saber", but I think I fixed it. Not really sure what I did that caused that. Seems I somehow moved a page to the same name multiple times. <_< Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:17, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
It's possible you inadvertently double-clicked the "Rename page" button on the move page. I do that every once in a while with the "Publish"/"Save changes" button on edit screens, and thus edit-conflict myself. ;) 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:22, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Blank kanji parameter tracking?

Is there a way to create a tracking category for card pages that have a "kanji" parameter that is blank? There are several pages like that I created, and was unable to find the kanji anywhere. I didn't feel like sitting there and finding each individual character from another card page, so I left them blank. I'd like to be able to request that someone add the kanji in, but I'd like to do it all at once. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:08, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that's easy enough to do. I've actually been thinking for a while about adding a tracking category for cards that don't have any Japanese name given at all; I think we'd be best with tracking categories for no Japanese name, blank "kanji", "kana", "jpname", and "phon" parameters, and a Japanese name but no romaji name (romaji name without Japanese name should be covered by the first one, I think). 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:03, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
In addition to the name, can we have a tracking category for "japlore" as well? Blackwings0605 (talk) 06:39, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, definitely; that's one thing I've been intending to do for quite some time. I've never liked the parameter name, and intend to replace all instances of it with "jplore" (if no one beats me to it) and then remove it from {{CardTable2}}. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:23, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
Yes. "jplore" is definitely make more sense than the "japlore". Blackwings0605 (talk) 07:40, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
That, and I've never liked the abbreviation "jap" for "Japan[ese]", considering it was an (albeit mild) derogatory term used during WWII (AFAIK; that's how it's always seemed to me, at least). 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:45, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Another tracking parameter question

Would it be possible to create one that lists pages that use any of the anime/manga appearances templates, but that do not have an associated Card Appearances page? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:37, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Not currently (it is possible, but would first require a modification to {{Card table anime and manga appearances}}). On the other hand, it *would* be trivial to do the same check for the anime/manga appearances parameters, though. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:34, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
Would changing the template mean having to change it on every page again? As for the parameters themselves, that doesn't particularly help me, to be honest. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:57, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
No, it would just be adding an invisible bit to the output (some class name or something; I'll have to do a bit of thinking on what the best thing to add would be) that {{CardTable2}} can then check for. I'll probably do this anyways, just so we can track pages with appearances parameters that don't use the templates yet. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:01, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
Awesome. Let me know when you get around to it. No rush, though. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 06:06, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Weird question

Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's - Episode 046 is using slanted quotations. I've tried copying the text and using find and replace in Word, Wordpad and Notepad. None of them work. Know of any way to get them to use regular quotations without changing each one individually? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:08, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

Notepad's Find-and-Replace function works fine for me on Windows 7... Maybe it has issues with extended Unicode on earlier MS systems?
You should be able to use Notepad++ to do the replaces if nothing else works for you. If you know how to use regexes and are willing to try that route, the opening curly double-quote can be matched via \u201c, and the closing one via \u201d (you can match the curly single quotes via \u2018 and \u2019). I will add all these replaces to the rules on my bot, so that whenever I run it again it'll correct that stuff. ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:53, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

5D's manga archetypes

Take a look at the lores for "Great Gallant Demonic Angel, Rosalian" and "Prayer to the Evil Spirits". It seems we have some undocumented archetypes here. I'm going to see if I can locate some cards images for them tomorrow to help clarify. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:31, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

Ooh, you may be right! English Shonen Jump is only up to chapter 11, so I can't really help much there... =( 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:38, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I've not been able to locate any images at all of either card. Maybe we can ask III or Blackwings if they have the jplore for them? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:46, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
It wouldn't hurt to try... =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:49, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
Looking through "Rosalien"'s history, I came across "The Rose Bell of Revelation", with a nice, crisp(ish) Japanese card image complete with lore; this should cover our needs for "Queen Angel" and "Fallen Angel", but we still need an image of "Prayer" for the "Angel" parent group. We've also got to worry about how to disambiguate "Fallen Angel" from "Darklord", since apparently "Darklord"'s Japanese name translates to "Fallen Angel" as well (and Fallen Angel currently redirects to it). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:08, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
Nice. We should just be able to use "Fallen Angel" as a page name and add disambiguation text for "Darklord" at the top. It's also highly likely that the English manga will change the name altogether, in which case, we can make "Fallen Angel" a disambiguation page for both archetypes. Just to be sure, the "Rose Bell" card doesn't have the text that means "Darklord" on it, right? They are separate archetypes? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:12, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
That's what I was thinking; I just like making stuff complicated. =D
Right, "Rose Bell" has "魔天使" (plus some furigana I can't read reliably enough to transcribe), and "Darklord" is "堕(だ)天(てん)使(し)", though the last two kanji are identical (they're also the same for "Queen Angel", interestingly enough, leading me to believe that's what "Angel" will turn out to use on "Prayer"). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:18, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
I should have known.
Ok then. And yeah, it sounds like that it what it will use. Curious to see what else will end up being part of that archetype, intentionally or not. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:20, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
A lot, probably, "天使" seems to be the most common Japanese translation for "angel". I love unintentionally generic archetypes... =D 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:34, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
That's what I feared. This should be interesting though. I think the funniest unintentional member I've seen so far is "Thought Ruler Archfiend", which is technically in the "Sphere" archetype. Or maybe "The Legendary Fisherman" in "Shaman". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:38, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
Ooh, ooh, there's also "Elemental HERO Necroid Shaman" in "Roid". =D 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:47, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

(outdent) So, "Rose Bell" appears in chapter 12, which is, conveniently enough, the chapter that should be in the next issue of SJ. Would you have a problem with waiting until it's released and we can see what the English names are going to be before actually getting to work creating all this stuff, Cheesedude? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:08, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Of course not. There is no deadline, after all. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:15, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
Cool. So now, we play... the waiting game. *looks menacingly past steepled fingers* =D 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:34, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
"Rosalin" is being released in Premium Pack 14 (among many other cards I assumed would never see the light of the day). They'll likely change the effect, but we'll see. It may help solve our problems. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:25, December 7, 2011 (UTC)
Very cool, this is certainly unexpected. It'll be interesting to see how long it takes these cards to make it to the TCG. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:39, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

So, Shonen Jump just got here (...yesterday; I've been reading Inheritance), and it seems the translators went with a cop-out: "Rose Bell"'s English lore reads "From your Deck, add either Queen Angel of Roses or Fallen Angel of Roses to your hand." Still, at least this confirms the English archetype names.

I don't really have the time to update the other cards from chapter 12; all of them look to be named correctly except for "Blessed Cards of Grass", which should be "Cards from the Blessed Grass", and "Magic Elf Burgundy", which should be "Burgundy the Magic Elf". 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:03, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, come on. Alright then. Well then, yeah, at least we have the English names.
I'll get to it later if I have time before you. So they didn't change the name of "Magic Elf Elite Claret" to match? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:24, December 31, 2011 (UTC)
I may get to it today myself, I think I've got a good chunk of the day free.
Elite Claret is shown in chapter 13, not 12. ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:30, December 31, 2011 (UTC)
Fusion Monsters count as archsupport? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:58, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
Most Fusion Monsters I've bothered to look at have been tagged as support for their Fusion Materials. As I recall, there has been some dissatisfaction expressed over that, but I can't remember for sure whether we agreed not to do that any more (I'm wanting to say we didn't though). I wouldn't be against changing to not tagging that, though (in which case, Rosarian should be changed to archrelated, I think). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:03, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
We probably didn't. Truthfully though, I've been removing them on-sight. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:07, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
All right, may as well treat that as current best practice. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:09, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

Page Protection Code?

Is there any type of page protection template, that any normal user can use? Not counting the Archive Template. ---Dark Ace SP (Talk) 00:03, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

There shouldn't be one available. The archive one uses css to disable the edit button, it technically doesn't protect it.
Page protection requests can go in the admin noticeboard I suppose.
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:30, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
Right, page protection is admin-only. There are ways to fake it with CSS and JS, but ultimately nothing short of actual page protection will stop a sufficiently determined individual from editing a page (and in some cases, at least, not even that will suffice, but that's another matter altogether ;) ). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:57, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
I see thanks. Not that I had any hope there would have been something like that, but never hurts to ask I suppose. Anyway, thanks! You guys are great help as always. ---Dark Ace SP (Talk) 00:43, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
No problem. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:54, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Funny typo

Not just say that Delta made his own typo, but you ever misspell that very word in the summary. Just for some chuckles and funny thing, no offense if it sound like insult or something. --FredCat 16:59, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

No, I don't think I've ever made that particular typo, but I've certainly made more than my fair share of them (including, I'm sure, plenty of funny ones). =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:06, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
Sure, Funny Magician... just keep your hat tricky as always ^_^ --FredCat 17:11, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
I sometimes use "tyop" and "speel" on purpose. *true story*
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:10, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
Rouge angles of satin. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:16, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
Falzar: every time you see "tyop" in an edit summary of mine, there's a 99.9% chance it's intentional (if it's the only word in the summary, or the edit consists solely or mainly of typo corrections, it's 100%). ;)
Cheesedude: I always wanted to be a rouge admin, but I don't think I've ever been red enough. =D 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:44, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

New mover group

Wikia set up the "mover" user group got added a couple of hours ago. It wasn't easy to set up, so it's not unlikely that there could be a few problems and we should test for them.

I only requested the "mover" group, but I did link to this forum. They might have tried making the other two changes that you suggested there, or they might have just made mistakes that made it look that way. Looking at Special:ListGroupRights, the differences I see are:

  • Bureaucrats can add "mover", "patroller" and "bot".
  • Bureaucrats can remove "mover" and "patroller".
  • Bureaucrats can no longer remove "admin" or "bot".
  • Admins can add "mover", "rollback, "patroller".
  • Admins can remove "mover", "rollback, "patroller".

My comments:

  • Although that mentions patroller, that group doesn't seem to exist. It doesn't have its own section on Special:ListGroupRights and I don't see it on Special:UserRights/Example. But that right wasn't actually requested.
  • Admins and bureaucrats being able to add/remove mover is fine.
  • Admins being able to add rollback, I think is a plus, but that wasn't requested.
  • Bureaucrats being able to add bots I'd say is a plus, but that wasn't requested. I didn't notice bureaucrats were able to remove bots beforehand. I suppose losing that is a minus.
  • Bureaucrats not being able to remove admins, I'd say is a minus. It's something we'd hope isn't needed, but it's good to have it just in case.

Does Special:UserRights/Example do exactly what Special:ListGroupRights says admins should be able to use it for, apart from add/remove patrollers?

I guess the next thing to do is test the movers group on a dummy account. And compile any mistakes there with the unwanted changes mentioned above. The wanted but unrequested changes, I suppose we should let Wikia know about and see if we can get an okay before keeping them. -- Deltaneos (talk) 03:18, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, everything appears to be in order insofar as admins adding/removing rights is concerned (based solely on what appears on Special:UserRights, and without actually testing).
Should we just test the mover group on one of the bot accounts, since those are already set up?
Yeah, it'd be better to get confirmation that they're intended rather than just assuming they are and having them taken from us.
Would there be any problem with you posting a transcript of the email conversation? It's not really that important, but I'm a bit curious as to what was said. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:40, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
I guess one of the bots would be a better option since they're already autoconfirmed. I don't know if you can use the additional rights mover has without the basic "move", which non-autoconfirmed users don't have. (Although that would be interesting to check, in which case I have a User:Deltaneos=test left over from Forum:Chat help!.) We should maybe remove the bot flag since bot already has a few of the mover rights. VSTF can still remove bot flags. I don't think anyone would mind if I used that for testing this.
I don't see any problem with showing the email transcript for this particular request:

Could we get a custom user group called "mover", with the following rights: "movefile", "noratelimit" and "suppressredirect" on the Yu-Gi-Oh! wiki (http://yugioh.wikia.com)?

In Yu-Gi-Oh! almost everything is released in Japan first and gets renamed when released in English, rather than use a direct translation. Each card page has a few related pages and images, all of which need to be renamed whenever the card is renamed. When a new set with new cards is released in English, this can mean hundreds of page moves. A lot of non-administrator users are slowed down and unable to finish renaming something without these page move related rights.

We have a forum discussing this here: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Some_new_usergroups

Thank you.

Hello Deltaneos,

Thanks for contacting Wikia. I have set up the user group "mover" this morning. Please keep in mind that these things are honestly a bit hard to set up, so it's entirely within the realms of possibility that it will need a few more tweaks to get just right. Please test the right out and make sure it does function the way you intended.

-- Deltaneos (talk) 14:40, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
Which one shall we try with, then, yours or mine?
Yeah, that would be interesting to check, though I don't think we'd ever actually make use of it even if it does turn out to work. ;)
Aah, interesting. Who was it that replied? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:49, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
How about you try it with Dinobot1000 and I'll try it with Deltaneos=test? It was DaNASCAT who replied. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:16, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
Actually it turns out Deltaneos=test is autoconfirmed. We can just test with that one. If you want to test yourself, I can still remove Dinobot's bot flag temporarily if you like. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:21, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
Nah, I'm fine just using Deltaneos=test. We both still want to try granting and revoking the usergroup, though, to make sure everyone who should be able to do so, actually can do so, right?
I kinda figured that's who it was. =D
Have you asked yet about the stuff we got that you didn't ask for? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:28, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, we should both try granting/revoking. You can go ahead and be the first if you like. No, I haven't replied to his email yet. I was waiting until we test it first. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:34, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
Okay, I've granted mover; do you want to try moving a file or something to make sure it works properly before I test revoking? Also, are we just testing mover, or should I test rollback as well? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:39, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
Movefile, noratelimit and suppressredirect all work okay and I've no problem revoking or granting the right. Yeah, go ahead test revoking and adding/revoking rollback too. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:49, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
Revoking mover and granting/revoking rollback all appear to work as intended. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:56, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
(Reset indent) Okay, next step is letting Wikia know about the things that need tweaking. Is this email draft okay?

Thanks very much for setting up the "mover" usergroup.

We've tested it for problems. Admins and bureaucrats have no problem adding and removing the group from accounts and a user with the "mover" rights is able to do everything that they should.

There were however a few unrequested changes to what groups admins and bureaucrats can change:
• http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Special:ListGroupRights mentions a "patroller" group that admins and bureaucrats can add and remove. However that group doesn't seem to exist. A "patroller" group was mentioned in the forum I linked in the last email, but we didn't actually decide to request that one. Sorry if there was any confusion.
• Admins are now able to add and remove "rollback".
• Bureaucrats are now able to add "bot".
• Bureaucrats are no longer able to remove "bot" or "admin".

All of these changes were unrequested, so should probably be undone. Admins being able to add/remove "rollback" and bureaucrats being able to add "bot", I think are positive changes for this wiki, but since they weren't officially requested I can understand if we can't keep them.

Discussion about the change can be viewed at http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Dinoguy1000#New_mover_group if needed for whatever reason.

Thank you.

-- Deltaneos (talk) 18:17, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
Looks okay; I've made a couple tweaks (including a link back to this discussion in the event Wikia staff would like more info on our side of things, though I'm not terribly satisfied with how it reads =/ ). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:26, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
Okay, sent. Sorry, I should have sent it hours ago. -- Deltaneos (talk) 01:13, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
Here's the reply:

Hey Deltaneos,

Yep, sorry, the group permissions for adding/removing groups are often the hardest to set up because usually it requires some knowledge about the group structure already plus an understanding of all the user groups.

If sysops +/- rollback and bureaucrats adding bots is within your community's best interest, I will gladly keep those rights. We have no issue with that happening. I have in the interim removed references to the 'patroller' group. That was part of the default value of the variable that does not apply obviously for YuGiOh.

-- Deltaneos (talk) 19:21, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
Awesome, glad to know they're letting us keep that stuff. =D *goes off to give Golden Key mover rights* 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:29, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
I've started a forum to discuss what to do next: Forum:User groups and requests. -- Deltaneos (talk) 01:31, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Help with my wikia?

Please can you help me edit my wikia ----> http://yugiohpedia.wikia.com —This unsigned comment was made by Xicor12 (talk • contribs) 00:25, March 7, 2012

Hello Xicor12, unfortunately I am not looking to get involved on any other wikis at this time - I am already active at between two and four (depending how I count) and the main maintainer at one other, so I really don't have time for any other wikis at this time.
If, however, you have something specific you need help with, I'd be more than happy to help. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:59, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
My favorite part of that wikia is how it's just a copy and paste of our wikia. >_> --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 01:21, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
I noticed that as well...Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 01:30, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
Except that we can comment on those stuffs over there instead. --FredCat 01:34, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

RE: ISO 639 for the Greek name parameter?

Yea, I think we should change it to "elname". If so then what about if we make a user-bot to do the job of changing the parameter "grname" to "elname"? ATEMVEGETA (Talk) 18:24, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Six Samurai

Hey Dinoguy. I've just combed through The Six Samurai Deck, and there is basically nothing worth integrating into the main article. Highlights on the page include a suggestion to use "Elemental Burst". Otherwise it's saying everything the "Six Samurai" page is, but with less gooder wording. Can I just turn the thing into a redirect? --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 00:57, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, sounds fine to me. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:01, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Odd image problem

Very odd problem here. When I attempted to move File:UratraC-JP-Anime-ZX.png to File:UltraC-JP-Anime-ZX.png. I get the following message: "Unable to write to file "/images/y/yugioh/images/5/55/UltraC-JP-Anime-ZX.png": file exists."
But the file doesn't exist. I've never encountered this error before and I've moved more card images in the past than I can count. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:56, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110803061535/yugioh/images/5/55/UltraC-JP-Anime-ZX.png does exist; it looks like a thumbnail version of UratraC-JP-Anime-ZX.png (though I have no idea why it should exist when there is no image with the name "UltraC-JP-Anime-ZX.png" uploaded). This is probably something for Special:Contact. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 08:33, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
Similar stuff happened to me before. Bypassed it by creating random stuff at the page (in this case UltraC-JP-Anime-ZX.png), then delete it and then move. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 08:38, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
Good to know; thanks for the tip. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 08:39, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
Ha, didn't work. Might have been for a different error, but I'm sure I've seen that error message before. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 08:48, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
Ok fixed, same steps, but by uploading an image to the file name instead of the creating page with random stuff. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 08:53, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
Weird... There appears to be some residual glitchiness around the old filename, too (at least for me); it still has the category. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 09:01, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Payment

http://www.crazycheapcostumes.com/files/productsimages/BS_P/57274.jpg

I threw in extras because you're awesome. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 20:18, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Sweet! =D 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:23, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
And now:

But on an un-mystery box related note, I'm having an issue similar issue to Cheesedude's, I think. I was going to move File:Shun.jpg to File:John.jpg, but that was already taken. So I moved what was at John.jpg to File:Jean.jpg. I then accidentally moved Shun.jpg to File:Johnn.jpg, but I can't move it to John.jpg. It says it's already taken. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 19:00, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Is it a cookie? =D
I don't think all the bugs related to moving files around have been worked out of MediaWiki quite yet; I'd be willing to bet renaming a file and then renaming another file to the first file's original name is one case. In this case, it's because File:John.jpg still showed as having the image history, so MediaWiki prevented you from moving File:Shun.jpg/File:Johnn.jpg over it. I went ahead and did so, deleting the history MediaWiki claimed was still there, and it seems to be fine. (Short answer: don't feel bad, this required an admin to fix ;) ) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:27, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
Looks like there are still limits to my phenomenal cosmic power, other than the itty bitty living space.
I just noticed on the Masked HERO page, after the list of HERO Cards there's some vandalism that I can't get to. I'm sure you'll know where to go to remove it. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 02:45, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
I'm not seeing anything myself; is it still there for you? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:02, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
It was the words "Da fuck?", and was still there until a few minutes ago when I null edited. I screen capped it, will upload a picture when I get home. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 12:28, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
http://imgur.com/eHyS4 was what I was seeing there, for the record. Glad I had the fortitude to screencap before trying the null edit.--Golden Key (talk • contribs) 22:14, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
All right, that was an edit to {{HERO}} which was reverted shortly after by PoirotH. There's a chance some of the pages that transclude it haven't had their caches updated yet; if you come across any others, a null edit should fix them. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:57, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Archive

So, I had originally thought that my laptop freezing whenever I tried to view your user talk page was because of how long it had been since you last archived it. Apparently not, since it just happened again. So I guess my laptop just really hates this page then. It really only happens with this page. The rest of the wiki is fine. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:15, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Happened to me before as well, but on the page Ally of Justice Catastor. Every time I open it, it would completely lag. Not sure how it stopped doing it though. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:03, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
What browsers/OSes are you guys using? Does the issue happen if you try a different browser? Does anything interesting appear in your Javascript error console? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:48, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
About a year ago, Firefox, don't think I checked if it lagged on another browser, I think clearing the cache did not fix it, didn't check the error console either. I'll mention it if it ever happens again.
Guess Cheesedude will have to be the one to fill it in. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 07:17, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
Over how long a period did the lagging happen for you before it finally stopped? Do you remember if there was some change on your computer around the time it stopped (e.g. an update for your OS or for Firefox)? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:37, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
I'm also using Firefox. It doesn't always happen either. Just tried it on IE, but it was fine. Nothing that I can see on Javascript either. Sometimes there were updates going on, but not every time it lags either. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:44, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
Does it also happen on the Wikia skin? How about if you edit the whole page and preview? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:07, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
Just tried both, and no for both, though again, it doesn't always happen either. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:33, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

SMW Negating Nomi

Remember the problem where the ! negation in SMW doesn't work as it should in logic? I don't think I've suggested this solution, but it seems somewhat simple.
In Template:CardTable2, if |summonN does not contain "Nomi" or "Cannot Special Summon", it will automatically add a "Can Special Summon" (or another name) group. That should allow us to get the lists we want easily, without having to do this, or for most lists, include those and add a note to the top saying it cannot summon those. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:03, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Right, it's the same basic premise as No Entry, but it does require a full understanding of the problem domain, to make sure the value doesn't get added in any circumstances that it shouldn't (in the case of "Chaos-End Master", I don't understand what about its effect necessitates the convoluted query, meaning I don't fully understand the problem domain ;) ). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:53, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
Almost the same. This one would allow entries of other things, as long as it isn't those two as well.
Currently searching for [[Summoning::!Nomi]] will still include Arcanite Magician/Assault Mode (which Chaos-End Master cannot Summon) because it contains Cannot Normal Summon/Cannot Set/Nomi/Special Summons from your Graveyard (things other than Nomi, this is how SMW's ! apparently works)
There is one small problem to this though. That would be Semi-Nomi; they can basically be Special Summoned from the Graveyard/Banished Zone, but cannot be Special Summoned from the Deck via other cards. To solve that, the same thing can be done once more, so if it does not contain "Nomi" or "Semi-Nomi" or "Cannot Special Summon", it will be auto added to "Can always Special Summon".
So in the end, to create a list for Decoy Dragon, it would then simply be {{#ask: [[Class 1::Official]] [[Type::Dragon]] [[Level::>7]] [[Summoning::Can Special Summon]] }} and a list for Chaos-End Master would be {{#ask: [[Class 1::Official]] [[ATK::≤1600]] [[Level::≥5]] [[Card Type::Normal Monster||Effect Monster]] [[Summoning::Can always Special Summon]] }}
So if you have: (I'll use shorthand instead of summon1, summon 2, etc.)
|summonN = (No Entry) and it will be auto added to "Can Special Summon" and "Can always Special Summon".
|summonN = Cannot Set and it will be auto added to "Can Special Summon" and "Can always Special Summon".
|summonN = Semi-Nomi, Cannot Set and it will be auto added to "Can Special Summon".
but |summonN = Cannot Normal Summon/Cannot Set/Nomi or |summonN = Cannot Set/Cannot Special Summon both will not be auto added to "Can Special Summon" nor "Can always Special Summon".
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 07:17, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
All right, I think part of my confusion arises from the names of the values; it would make more sense if they were "Can be Special Summoned", "Cannot be Set", etc. (if I'm understanding how they're used correctly, at least). Basically, the queries have to filter out monsters whose own effects prevent them from being Special Summoned, right? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:34, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
The names I used follow how the current pages are done. Yes, I agree that those names (... be ...) are better.
Yes, I think that's it. So:
"Can always be Special Summoned" = monsters that don't have restrictions on Special Summoning at all.
"Can be Special Summoned" = monsters that are in "Can always be Special Summoned" and also Semi-Nomi.
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 01:18, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Should we go ahead and switch the names then?
So what does this make the exact change you're requesting? What you posted above, or is there any more to it? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:45, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Overall, two changes. First one is the one I've initially suggested for the Card Table. 2nd one is your suggestion on changing the names of those pages.
1) If all |summonN do not contain "Nomi" or "Cannot be Special Summoned". Add [[Summoning::Can be Special Summoned]].
If all |summonN do not contain "Nomi" or "Semi-Nomi" or "Cannot be Special Summoned". Add [[Summoning::Can always be Special Summoned]].
2) If you think we don't need to have a forum discussion, move "Cannot Special Summon", "Cannot Set", etc. to "Cannot be Special Summoned", "Cannot be Set", etc.
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 04:00, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Should this apply only to Monster Cards, or is it fine for Spells and Traps to get tagged too?
I don't see why we should need a forum discussion; this shouldn't be much different from when I moved all the "Removed from play" pages to "Banished" a while back. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:19, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Monsters only, just like how Nomi is monsters only (though Nomi is manually added, so I didn't notice that Summoning applies for Spells/Traps as well). If it's necessary, you can also exclude Tokens, but that can be easily be done through SMW instead.
Sure, I also have no reason to not move them. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 04:23, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Edit made, let me know if something needs fixed.
Updating the terms is just a matter of moving the pages and updating their queries (and then updating card pages over time/with a bot run). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:34, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Ok, I'll move them after the edits seem to work perfectly.
Fusion/Synchro/Xyz/Rituals are all Semi-Nomi by default; the exception is if the card says they are Nomi. Excluding Fusion/Synchro/Xyz/Rituals in "Can always be Special Summoned" should fix the problem.
Aitsu doesn't seem to be added to either lists when it is null-edited. It should go on both lists.
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:08, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
All right, so how exactly should they all be handled in this case? As though they had a summonN parameter set to "Semi-Nomi"?
I know exactly how to fix the issue with Aitsu (the problem affects all monsters without any summonN parameter), but I'm not going to fix it until I also address Fusion et al. monsters. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:44, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
If all |summonN do not contain "Nomi", and it is a Fusion/Ritual/Synchro/Xyz, then it is Semi-Nomi. Should work. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:50, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
All right, I think it's all working properly now; let me know if I've managed to bungle it all up. =D 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:08, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Yay, they seem to work perfectly now. Thanks.
I'll go around using the bot to null edit for the monsters listed on other lists, and update the lists later. Give it a while in case someone spots an error that I missed. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 09:26, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
For some reason, cards like Boo Koo and The Bewitching Phantom Thief aren't going into the lists. I don't see why though. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:09, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
Well, this has me completely stumped. I can't see anything in the code that should prevent either of those pages from receiving the properties, and indeed, copying the relevant code directly onto the pages and previewing results in the expected behavior. Maybe Delt can help us out? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:32, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
Since they should all be Normal Monsters, what happens if we just add all Normal Monsters to those 2 lists? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:38, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
It should work, though I don't know for sure. It should also be unnecessary, though; Normal Monsters should be among the monsters added to those two groups simply by virtue of not being Tokens or Fusion/Ritual/Synchro/Xyz Monsters. =/ 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:01, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
A clue?
Removing the line |archetype1 = Spiders from Hunter Spider, removes Can be Special Summoned +, and Can always be Special Summoned + from the factbox
Adding the line |archetype1 = Spiders to Boo Koo, adds Can be Special Summoned +, and Can always be Special Summoned + from the factbox
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:34, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
Oh crap, now I know what's going on (the archetype1 behavior isn't directly related, but it was a clue): the "Summoning Categories" box (along with the "Support", "Anti-Support", "Stat Change", etc. boxes) are all contained in a single {{CardTable2/row}}. To allow me to not be as stringent with the code for the individual boxes, this template call has its own "check" parameter, consisting of the first parameter from each card search category. This means that if a card doesn't have any such search categories (as will be the case for many Normal Monsters), the entire row isn't output, which works fine - unless one of the categories has a "checkfail" behavior that needs to apply to all cards, as we have here.
Unfortunately, though, there isn't a straightforward solution that I can see (other than duplicating the "checkfail" in the outer /row, which has its own issues); removing the "check" from the /row means that, in cases where a card doesn't have any search categories but still gets properties or something from a "checkfail", the /row is still rendered in the template, but without any content other than the "Card Search Categories" header. I'll go ahead and use the duplication fix for now, but it's definitely a hack and I'll be thinking of possible ways we might be able to get rid of it. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:25, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
All right, "Boo Koo" and "The Bewitching Phantom Thief" (along with, I'm sure, a whole slew of other Normal Monsters) are fixed now. As always, let me know if you spot any cock-ups. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:34, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
That was more complex than I thought it would be. Next bug.
It was working fine before, but Semi-Nomi monsters (e.g. Card Breaker, Chaos Sorcerer) don't appear as Summoning::Can be Special Summoned any more.
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:11, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
That was easy. C'mon, what else ya got? =D 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:09, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
It should work perfectly now, according to (all Card Tips pages that currently use the searches && its card has the phrase "Special Summon" in its lore).
The only error was with Blackwing - Blizzard the Far North but that was because "Cannot Special Summon" was not on the page. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 07:19, April 7, 2012 (UTC)
Awesome, let me know if there's anything else you need help with or would like implemented. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:34, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Deck help

Hi I'm fairly new to this i was wondering if you would like to glance at the decks I have listed on my web page and if you have any advice on them? K Chester 18:58, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Hi K Chester, unfortunately I'm really not the person to ask when it comes to decks. I'd instead recommend that you ask in the Deck Help forum. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:16, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Evigishki

Evigiski is a sub-archtype of Gishki, as Neo Flamvell is a sub archetype Flamvell, as XX-Saber is a sub-archetype of X-Saber, as The Fabled is a sub-archetype of Fabled, as Genex Ally and R-Genex are sub-archetypes of Genex, so on and so forth. Gishki support supports Evigishkis, they even contain the same Japanese word "Ritua". --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 04:43, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Gishki support cards only support Gishki cards, they don't support Evigishki cards. The reason Evigishkis are supported by Gishki support cards is because Evigishkis are also Gishkis. This is true for every other case where an archetype has a sub-series, like the other examples you listed. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:47, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Sir, I think you just contradicted yourself. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 04:49, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
No, I didn't. Read the lore of a Gishki support card. Do you see "Evigishki" anywhere there?
I've put a lot of thought into just about every aspect related to archetypes and series you might care about over the past few months, and this is one thing I've thought particularly about. If a Gishki support card were to be considered an Evigishki support card as well, we would also have to treat it as support for every individual Gishki card.
Archetypes are a game mechanic bolted onto the game long after the basic framework was laid out, and series are a mostly in-house invention to describe groups of cards that aren't archetypes, but are clearly related to each other. In addition, archetypes still don't have a clear, official definition - in official materials, the word "archetype" has been used to describe everything from what we use it for, to Deck types, and then some; the definition we use is very much an in-house construction based on how archetype support cards are known to work. As a result, there are a lot of non-obvious details, and at first glance, some of these details may seem to be self-contradictory - like the idea that a support card supports an archetype but not any sub-archetypes or sub-series. Contradictory though it may sound, it does make sense if you properly understand how our definitions of archetypes and archetype support work (it doesn't help at all, though, that said definition is currently scattered across a number of discussions, spread over a handful of forum threads and user talk pages). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:07, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Dinoguy, calm down please. Evigishki is part of the Gishki archetype as the Japanese name contains "リチュア". Gishki support cards don't need to say "Evigishki" because Gishki is in their name. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 05:11, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
There was a forum discussion for this somewhere. I think it was concluded the way Dinoguy has said. IIRC, it was about HERO. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:15, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Now I'm wondering if either of you understands what I'm trying to point out. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 05:18, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
It confused me when it was concluded like that as well at first, but one of the reasons is that if we use SMW to search for Gishki Support (and do not support Evigishki), it won't work. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:31, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
But, this isn't about SMW or any of that. I was simply just putting on the Evigishki page that Evigishkis are a sub-archetype of Gishki. Then, this all happened. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 05:37, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
I am calm. Please don't suggest I'm losing my temper; it's not true and only serves to distract from the topic of discussion.
Gishki support cards specifically require cards with the string "リチュア" in their Japanese name. This means they explicitly support the Gishki archetype. They do not, however, mention anything about cards with "イビリチュア" in their Japanese name, meaning support for the Evigishki archetype is only implicit, because "イビリチュア" just happens to contain "リチュア" (in most cases, this is intentional, but there are cases where the only logical conclusion is that it's an accident (that is, when an archetype gained a support card, no one was thinking that sub-archetypes would also be supported by that card); the most obvious is, perhaps, Knight and Gem-Knight). Cheesedude and I decided some time ago that, in cases such as this, archsupport cards should not be tagged as also being archsupport for sub-archetypes or sub-series; this discussion is basically addressing the reverse of that.
I understand exactly what you're trying to argue: you see no functional distinction for saying a Gishki support card supports Gishki cards, and that it supports Evigishki cards, and that therefore, the Evigishki archetype is supported by the Gishki support card. You are absolutely, 100% correct in this conclusion, and without a very deep understanding of the various repercussions caused by this interpretation, it is the only reasonable conclusion. I have, however, spent months thinking about this and other issues revolving around archetypes and archsupport, to the point that I'm likely among the most knowledgeable people in existence for how archetypes work. You are more than entitled to ask me to explain myself (in many cases, this forces me to reexamine the issue, which may let me better understand it myself, or even cause me to realize that my own thinking on it is flawed), but when I have explained my reasoning as clearly and succinctly as I can, it no longer does any good to continue challenging me with the same arguments and logic. In this case, I have explained my logic clearly and succinctly; the problem is that the nuances here are subtle enough to be completely missed unless you're willing to take the time to think about them, and it doesn't seem like you are. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:41, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Okay, but I'm not asking you to go back to all of the archetype support cards and put that they support sub-archetypes, that would be redundant. I put "sub-archetype" on the Evigishki page so that it would match pages like Neo Flamvell, XX-Saber, and The Fabled. I was by no means trying to undermine the months of work you did. You are over-thinking my edit. I take full responsibility for the misunderstanding I created. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 05:48, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
All right, after your most recent reply to Falzar, I thought that was your hang-up, but I wasn't sure.
The phrases "sub-series" and "sub-archetype", as we use them (e.g. X is a sub-series of Y), mean that X is a series/archetype, and it is contained within Y (which is always an archetype itself; series are not denoted by some string in their Japanese names and therefore can't have sub-series/archetypes in the same sense that archetypes do). This phrase does not actually appear on Neo Flamvell, XX-Saber, or The Fabled, all three of which are themselves series, and all three of which use a more verbose, but much less confusing, wording (one that I think we should start using across-the-board, to prevent future confusion of this type) that makes it clear that they, and not the group they are contained in, are series.
Sorry about the wall-of-text comments above, and what must surely have seemed like an increasingly annoyed/irritated attitude; as much as I enjoy thinking about stuff like this (that's why I spend so much time with templates ;) ), the more I think about it in one go - particularly when it has very subtle distinctions as this did - the more brusque I tend to get in discussing it, even when my actual intent remains unchanged. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:01, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. Once again, I apologize since the misunderstanding was mostly my fault. And hopefully you noticed that I did go change the wording on Evigishki to more closely match the wording on other similar pages. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 02:54, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
No problem, and I'm certainly partly to blame myself. =) I noticed the change, but didn't actually see you were the one to do it; I usually check pages via email notifications, so I get a bundle of edits in one diff, and normally don't check each individual edit unless there's vandalism or I'm curious about something. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:36, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Two things.

I recall you saying at a the second of three forum discussions that the familiars depicted with the "Charmers" and their derivatives count as archrelation. I'm not sold on the idea. Take the Gagagigo (series), for example. He's depicted fighting both "Blazing Inpachi" and "Invader of Darkness" multiple times, fighting with and alongside "Freed the Brave Wanderer" and "Marauding Captain" in multiple other card artworks. "Kozaky" was also also implied to be involved with his transformations. Do all those count as archrelation? Going by the "Charmer" logic, they sort of do, I think. So it's a slippery slope. I propose we just declare all card artwork stuff to NOT be archrelation, including the "Charmer" stuff. The archetype pages can mention that, as can the card trivia.
A different issue, see here. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:54, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
I've never had an understanding of what archrelated is supposed to be, though I have had some idea of what it's not supposed to be; it's still the same now. If you've found a definition that seems to be working well enough, I'd say go ahead and run with it (as you seem to be doing) regardless of my past comments on the issue. =)
I've responded there. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:09, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
I'm currently going with "support cards for members of said archetype/series"), something that is clearly meant to be related (like "Lumenize" to "Photon". Its Japanese name is "Photonize", but does not contain the Japanese text for "Photon") and "stuff that I can't be sure isn't related because I have no knowledge of Duel Terminal storylines). There's also things that are related via anime effects. And stuff like all the "Neo-Spacians" being related to "Neos" and "Elemental HERO" via fusions and "Chrysalis" via them being infant forms. And flavor text, like "Mad Lobster" to "Dark World". When I'm actually done, I may compile a list of what constitutes archrelation, which couuld always be modified if new circumstances arise.
I know. I got an email notification and a "LOL NEW MESSAGE" giant orange box at the top of every page until I check it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:15, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, a list would definitely be nice. =)
Now I'm gonna have to add some custom CSS to add a lolface to the new messages bar... =D 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:18, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
I didn't think you were serious. Going off of Golden Key's point, if you want an image from the anime, I can find you one. I have several in mind, actually. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:47, March 16, 2012 (UTC)
If you want to, that's fine with me, but like I said there, I'll probably just end up looking for an image on Wikipedia or something. ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:22, March 16, 2012 (UTC)
Aww man, come on. It'd be great to have something Yu-Gi-Oh related. Cheesedude, I'd love to see your suggestions. I might have a few as well. Golden Key (talk • contribs) 00:06, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
Feel free to make suggestions; I still haven't gotten around to looking myself. ;) Any you suggest need to look reasonable at 40px high (or shorter), though; I don't want a massive new messages bar. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:33, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Shadow hide you.

*reverse pocketpick this proof then sneak out* --FredCat 20:18, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Is this what you were getting at? (Or did you intend for me to read that section?) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:21, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
I am aware of that - I just pass the message where he didn't revealing it to you; at least it did some miracle. --FredCat 20:23, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Vocabulary Question

I know it's little offtopic here, but I know you're well rely to know most the words... I am trying to remember this word that started or at least have the word; "Clock"... you know, something that moving in rotate, one is normal (like real clock, to the right) and other is counter... (to the left, oppose to the right). I am just struggle to get this word out of my mouth... All I could remember was "Clockcounter"... --FredCat 23:42, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Counterclockwise? --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 23:48, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
Ahh... "Wise" was the word I am missing :| How irony... Thank you for a quickly answer, friend. --FredCat 23:54, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
No prob, I'm the dictionary/thesaurus at work. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 00:06, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
Apologize for distract you for nothing. From this point on, I will just ask Golden Key whenever I forgot a word, thank you for your attention and let's hope this resolved quickly. --FredCat 00:16, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
Feel free to ask me about his stuff anyways if you want; I'm a bit of a walking dictionary/thesaurus myself. ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:34, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Artwork Gallery

As if you have noticing that I was updating couple of Card Artworks articles - I was thinking of the "Gallery" itself should be unique for Artwork itself only, almost like Errata's "Gallery", if you know what I mean. If so, then we should make it complete anew instead of using the one from Card Gallery box - because it's not suit for that article. Why not? --FredCat 12:27, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

I've been thinking about making a new card gallery template for a long time, actually. The biggest problem is that it's not easy to work with the <gallery/> tag's markup in templates, and that we don't have very much formatting in the galleries beyond that, so it becomes a question of whether the complexities associated with a template are outweighed by the benefits of having a template to enforce one formatting style. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:37, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
How about make them Look like this <artwork>, just similar to all Galleryheader and Navigation stuffs you (and your buddies) had creating in the past? So that way would be unique only for Artwork articles... If this is not good idea, then just say a word - it was just a suggest after all. --FredCat 01:45, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
That would require a new extension; we can't install those (though with the proper knowledge, I could write one). The best I could do would be an {{Artwork table}} template, which would largely duplicate the current {{Errata table}} template. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:22, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
That's what I was thinking - so let's take it slow for now; after all, we have many friends around this site who can help us hauling it up to workable. I know this can stress you to do the all work, but I don't want that to happening, such as Falzar and Delta can dupe them into other relate-article, only to let you add a little code that can judge the difference (like sexual affection being removed, religious cut out, etc.) --FredCat 17:12, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
I can create the template without too much trouble, but there's no way it could determine what's different between two images; that would still require a person. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:15, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
That's why I don't want to pressure you for that, just let above people come in the room and party around to get them straight up. --FredCat 17:16, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Other language anime lores.

Attempted to add one for Portuguese, but it doesn't seem to have work. We also need one for Italian. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:04, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

I'll have a look. Should I add one for any other languages while we're at it? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:55, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
Haven't come across any more yet, but when I do, I'll try to add them if I can figure out what I did wrong with the pt one based on your edit. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:01, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
Okay. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:03, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
I couldn't see anything wrong with your addition; could you link to a page that uses the parameter? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:08, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
It wasn't the addition that was the problem, it was how he was entering them into the pages. I just fixed Ancient Giant. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 17:47, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I realized that after seeing Dark Magician Girl the Dragon Knight, and in fact typed out an update here, but apparently didn't save it. >.> 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:07, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
Um, why are those parameters using underscores when the regular "animelore" does not? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:39, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
See the reasoning in my last comment here. ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:13, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

yes，its chinese.i just want to do [[ ]] for chinese lore--Lieyanqzu (talk • contribs) 15:34, March 24, 2012 (UTC)lieyanqzu

Annoyance Article

I am aware that we can blocking the article from being edit or move, and very well aware that we can't block the non-existence article, like "Squiddy" and all those craps... Please be sure to watch them for create that article again, I saw them done that twice so far... Only because of the user that has the name in DuelingNetwork; I am sure you didn't know about that - but he don't exist for Yu-Gi-Oh! since of all official shit. If you see one, do your job; destroy it or just lock it up to prevent the repeat spamming stuff. --FredCat 03:46, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Falzar salted it indefinitely. Unfortunately, there were about 7 or 8 people recreating it, meaning it's probably a coordinated attack; this also means it can't be stopped simply by blocking IPs, and that, now that "Squiddy" is salted, they may simply move to a different title. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:15, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
That's just waste of the time... Created an article on a person that don't belong to Yu-Gi-Oh? They must losing their mind already. --FredCat 11:33, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Tokens

Tokens do qualify as archetype members, yes? They don't seem to be showing up in the navbox at "Cloudian" (though I can't think of any other tokens that would be archetype members off-hand). Going to try to look into the "Sheep Cloud Token"/"Cloudian Token" difference. It could be that both articles were created independent of one another without regard for the Japanese names (one or both could just be presumptions). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:39, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Checked both version of episode 111. The dub uses "Cloud Tokens" (and makes five mistakes in the process). I can't find a sub, but I'm not hearing the phonetic pronunciations for "Sheep Cloud Token" or "Cloudian Token" in a raw. Which means they were originally called neither of those things are or the romaji readings with have for them are wrong (one of which I added myself). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:33, March 27, 2012 (UTC)
That's the presumption I've been operating under (and I remember either seeing some other tokens added as members of another archetype, or adding them myself; I don't remember which tokens or archetype, but I do remember observing the same behavior in regards to the navbox). As for tokens not appearing in {{Archetype navbox}}, that would be a result of the queries in that template as opposed to anything in {{CardTable2}}; if you look through the properties of a token that's tagged as an archetype member but doesn't appear in that archetype's navbox, you'll see that the appropriate property is present and has the correct value. I'm not at all sure this could be fixed just by adjusting the queries used, and is yet another reason the property system needs an overhaul.
It makes sense to me that "Sheep Cloud Token" would use the same name as its parent card, since that seems in my experience to be the general pattern for named tokens. However, the anime has done far stupider/weirder things. =/ 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:43, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
Ok.
Alright, here's what I'll do. I'll see if WinterNightmare can find a better quality image of File:CloudianSheepCloud-JP-Anime-GX.png. Then I'll ask Ryusui to give me a direct translation of what the text says. Then we'll know which (if either) token was intended. Then I'll have him check to see what the OCG card says as well. They could have also changed the token's name when it came out in the TCG and then given it another name in the dub. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:56, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
Sounds like a plan. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:01, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Voice actors

Hi Dinoguy. Could you restore Marc Thompson and explain to PoirotH that we're making our own? Though he has a page, most of the wikipedia redirects don't actually go anywhere. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 21:41, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Done and done. If you're planning on making any more such articles yourself, I'd recommend holding off until PoirotH responds to my message and we see what he says. ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:51, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
That would be wise. Don't want to get into an edit war with a guy who might block me on a whim. :)
Somewhat related, shouldn't the "Collectors Tin" pages be "Collector's Tin" pages? I was just looking through the deletion file and saw PoirotH deleted the Collectors Tin page twice, but the 2009 version looks like it had information that was worth keeping. I'm thinking maybe that one could be restored and renamed, with some additional info added. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 12:17, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure, actually, having never looked particularly deeply into it. The "Tins" section on the Yugioh-Card.com products page calls them "Collectible" (except for the Duelist Pack tins, which it calls "Collection"); I don't know what UDE called the tins they released before they lost distribution rights.
I'm not seeing any deletions for that title; did you link the wrong one? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:54, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
Yes. Yes I did. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 17:18, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
There wasn't much there when PoirotH first deleted that page:
Collector Tins are a way of getting a certain card and 5 boosters packs in one. You get a tin with the drawing of the card printed on it, the card, the newest booster packs, and sometimes card sleeves. OCG tins have the things in it printed on the tin.
The more recent content was just a misused preload. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:27, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
There's only one link to the page (other then the one here on your talk page). I just looked, and apparently you're the one who linked it back in October. I didn't realize that when I asked you about this. Small site, eh? I guess at one point of time you did think it was worth a page after all. :) --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 18:00, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
It seems currently, the closest we have to a general page on tins (that I can find, at least) is Collector Tin Series Promos. Really, the tins pages are a bit of a mess, even after Look234's cleanup of them last year. I think it'd probably be best to start with an article on Tin to cover all the various tins, from the original Booster Pack Tins all the way up to the current Collection/Collectible Tins (and also covering OCG tins), and work out from there to articles on the aforementioned Booster Pack Tin, Collection Tin (with a redirect from Duelist Pack Tin), and Collectible Tin, and then on out to the individual by-year tin series. We may want to have individual tin pages in the end as well, e.g. Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon Collectible Tin, to match the Yugioh-Card.com product pages, which are also per-tin. What do you think? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:54, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
That sounds like a very good plan. Admittedly I'm more of a fixer than a creator, so if we could get a few others with experience making such pages on board it'd be pretty helpful. We also have toy pages (File:CyberEndDragonMF02-EN-UPR-PlusToy.jpg) in need of creation... --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 19:13, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
My talk page is watched by a fair number of other editors; I'm sure someone will see this and find it interesting enough to work on it. =) In the meantime, I may do a bit of work on it myself, though first I'll have to decide what kind of lede sounds good (it's not easy writing about something as generic as "tins" in general without using the term to describe itself). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:32, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
On that note, I think our articles on boosters in general need cleanup. In many, they seem to be directly quoting the advertisements for them. Aside from not referencing where the content originally came from, there's zero reason to be directly quoting the ads to begin with. That said, I'm certainly not the person who's going to be cleaning those up either. Definitely not my department. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:41, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, there's definitely lots and lots and lots of work to be done on pretty much all of our set-related articles; first and foremost, I need to get the set version of CardTable2 to a working state so we can actually start deploying it and enjoying the benefits of template-enforced standardization across set articles (this would also allow me to finally make further progress on a few other template projects which've been in limbo for a couple of years now). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:50, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Edit summary trick

I'm curious. What trick did you use to leave an edit summary on a page which has the field hidden by default? -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:15, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

I used Google Chrome's element inspector to disable the "display: none;" CSS rule (I'll have to copy your user CSS to unhide it so I don't have to do that in the future). ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:56, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Archetype List

I know it's been 6 months since last time you created that article, but it showed no box of list of the needed monsters... or card if you called them. It's like a naked article with title and box that lead to other stuffs instead. Should updating it? --FredCat 00:51, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

I've deleted it, since its main article was deleted in January. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:01, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
At least it's burn down without fear of losing a soul... --FredCat 20:44, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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Do me a solid and notify Fred as well, will you? I had forgotten how to use this "talkback" thing. Btw, think you used enough "O"s back there? --ΜοｎtΕcｈrísＴο９5 10:12, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Looks like he already saw your reply.
No, not by a long shot; I just ran out of breath. =D 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:52, April 1, 2012 (UTC)
Yea, I saw that when you posted this topic up not so long ago. And remember, I get cat instinct! I can sense almost a distance away... --FredCat 20:56, April 1, 2012 (UTC)


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CardTable2 ordering

I've been changing card pages so that card search cats are the last thing in the input, with anime appearances above it. It displays that way anyway when you view the page. I know it really doesn't matter, but I saw your edit to "Cannon Wheel", so I thought I'd let you know. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:54, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

All right, I'll try to keep that in mind. One of these days, we should have a bot run to standardize parameter order across all transclusions (this is something I've been thinking for a long time). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:56, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
It doesn't help that I used to always put the anime appearances stuff last and then changed my mind. But yeah, that would be good. Eventually. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:00, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
On a related note, I've also been moving "effect" to be above all the lores...since that's where it appears when the page is saved.
On an unrelated note, I found another archetype. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:08, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
That's what I've been doing as well (along with "number"). When I think about it, I also add "effect" to non-Non-Effect Monster pages (including Spell and Trap Card pages) when I come across them.
I've wondered for some time how many undocumented archetypes/series from the first series, GX, and 5D's there might be (I rather doubt there're too many more, at least for 5D's and possibly GX). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:31, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
Wait, why would a non-Effect Monster need to use the "effect" parameter?
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if a find a few more while I go through all the anime/manga cards. I also wouldn't be surprised if some are buried in the edit history and got removed at some point during improper effect rewording. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:56, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
It wouldn't, that's why I said non-non-Effect Monster. ;)
That's been my exact thought - how many potential archetypes aren't documented here because they're supported only by an anime/manga effect? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:15, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
Oh. I'll try to remember to add blank "effect" parameters as well then. Not going to fill them in myself, since I have no bloody clue. The only I could identify with 100% certainty is a Maintenance Cost. Really, I'm not even sure what the difference between discards for cost and discards for effect is.
That's a good point, but also not what I meant. By "improper lore fixing" I meant "changing it so it looks more like the TCG. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:56, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
That's my problem too. =)
Aah, I thought you were talking about cases where an animanga card was later released in the OCG/TCG, and the animanga effect was simply replaced by the *CG effect. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:03, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
Clueless administrators FTW.
Well, that's another good point.
We need a CardTable2 parameter for Yu-Gi-Oh! D Team ZEXAL. I'm thinking "manga_dz" should work. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:31, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
After all, who could possibly be clueless in our place? =D
Done, along with a bunch of other tweaks and cleanup... Now, sleep for me. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 08:15, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
I just remembered this. Definitely support for an archetype we don't document. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:27, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
Ooh, good find. Judging by the first few revisions, it looks like it's support for a "Seal" (封(ふう)じ) archetype. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:10, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
Ah, I was hoping you'd respond by saying you isolated the archetype name text. I couldn't. Now I can create the page (unless you want to; either way). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:16, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
Go for it. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:20, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
Alright, done. I have to wonder if there are any other members that the edit history didn't reveal. Tried checking several other cards that actually do have "Seal" in their English names, but no dice. This is great. This archetype has literally no known members who have the English archetype name in their card name. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:41, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
Outliers FTW? =3 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:03, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Stubborn User

This user just ignored my warning and shoved in different images in Yugi Muto and Maximillion Pegasus in their informbox, repeat... I revived them back to normal twice and just got frustrated with him. So go ahead, tear him apart and it would all be good. --FredCat 22:55, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Spell Card activation in future PSCT/Errata

I am sure that Konami would may reprint all those cards that involved "Spell Cards" being activated in the past; into "resolves successful" as following of "Bountiful Artemis". Since most of them can't triggering if the Spell Card is negated and destroyed, like "Spell Absorption" and many Spellcaster monsters, like "Skilled Dark Magician", etc. It once confused one of my sister's opponents when she used Horus Lockdown back in her time as he tried to recover from his suffer loss by playing Spell Cards and hoped to gain Life Points while "Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV8" was face-up. Do you think Konami should to do that way? Or just ignored and shit up those oddly PSCT stuffs around? --FredCat 15:43, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

I dunno; I'm still not much good with card effects. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:47, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
Ah alright... I can't blame you ever if you're great with article designation... I only brought this theory up because of many conflict that other players/users whined that they should gain 500 LP or get a counter on certain card whenever Spell Card was "activate". Konami should think twice about their grammar... I found "resolves successful" suit them better than "activate", since negated the activate and effect of the Spell Cards would making them still think they still gained whatever. Since with "Bountiful Artemis" being updated, I would be happy to approve them same as her. --FredCat 16:54, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Query: Attack, Defense problem

Hello, I have been talking to you a lot lately about queries and I was wondering if you may be able to help me with something I just noticed. On pages with a query, such as Rank 1 Monster Cards and Card Tips:Wetlands, for some reason the Att and Defense values are doubling. For example, if the Monster's Attack is 300, it appears as 300300. If it is 1,100 it instead appears as 11001,100. Do you know what is happening? How can we stop this? --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 18:16, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Same, it was when I went to check Gigo monster lists... saw them being double in same space. Either it's sysadmins' fault for not watch them careful or that's just Wikia glitch. --FredCat 18:23, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
We have to play the waiting game. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 18:24, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Cost

Check it out, I just notice the whole mess up so I went ahead and arranged it whole up. Think it look better? --FredCat 19:00, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, as far as I can tell, it looks pretty good. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:09, April 7, 2012 (UTC)
Glad I worked it out. And sorry I didn't able to respond for a day - was too busy dropping my ball all over the shine new iMac as a present :\ --FredCat 16:26, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Magical + Book of Spell

Hey, can you help me with this problem. I put this problem in the talk page, but no one is responding. In both archetypes/series, Magical and Book of Spell have 魔(ま)導(どう) + 書 (Book, Sho). so, what should we do with this? 24.83.215.20 (talk) 06:25, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Nothing, I think. "Book of Spell" is technically a sub-archetype of "Magical", but since the latter doesn't have any support yet, that doesn't really mean much. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:57, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Counters in CardTable2

In addition to the anime/manga archsupport but not TCG/OCG/video game archsupport issue, I've also been leaving "counters" categories in card pages if removal of them would result in no cards having that counter category ("Fog Castle" with Beacon Counters for example). I modify the card search cats to use the video game effects in such cases, though need to leave the counter cat (which is anime/manga only) in I have the feeling I'm going to find a few more things that we may need to leave in like that, so perhaps we should add it to the {{CardTable2}} documentation (or perhaps you should since my wording sucks). Actually, I'm not even sure if we document that vg lores take precedence over anime/manga. That is the consensus though. On a related note, why is the category "counters" instead of "counter"? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:22, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

The card search categories in general are largely undocumented; this is just a symptom of the larger problem that CardTable2's documentation sucks, and always has. Documentation is not easy to write, especially when you're doing so after the fact, and particularly when you weren't the one who wrote the code you're attempting to document and thus don't fully understand how it's supposed to work or how it was meant to be used. Counters, and the rest of the card search categories, are one such case for me; I don't really know much about how they're used, or how they were meant to be used, aside from the archetypeN / archsupportN / (to a lesser extent) archrelatedN parameters. Because of that, there are all sorts of intricacies and details like the precedence issue you pointed out that aren't documented.
Not that I'm arguing against bothering with documentation - after all, I'm the one who originally started getting CardTable2 properly documented, after all - it's just that writing documentation is never very easy, and this is no exception. I'll see what I can do, but first I'll have to get the hang of how the "counters" category is used and where best to document it.
As for "counters" versus "counter", I have no idea, since I had nothing to do with its addition.
Circling back around for a moment, I think it'd be better to separately document the search categories for each medium with a unique effect, though I have no idea how the parameters would work, or how the information would be best displayed, and I also realize I'd probably be the one doing all the coding. =D
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to finish my little stroll down memory lane. XD 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:19, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
Most of the card search cats are fairly self-explanatory, though there a few I myself don't get either. The knowledge I have from when I did used to play the game suffices for most of them. If you like, I can attempt to go through them (eventually; +1 to absurdly long mental "to-do" list) and try to document how they're to be used (then check with Delt, Falzar and ATEM so they can fix the mistakes I'm sure I will make).
The counters category is just for any card that uses a specific type of counter. That's really it. If the card uses that counter, then it should be added to that page.
Good idea, but yeah, that sounds overly complicated.
I've looked through that before myself. I may not understand most of it, but looking through it did help me grasp some of it better and it was interesting to see when certain functionalities were added. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:09, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
If you want to, go ahead. ;) A lot of the stuff actually is fairly obvious in hindsight, especially when you have the added benefit of knowing what the template was like when it was first added - what functionality was already there, what functionality was added alongside it, associated edit summaries, etc.
What I find really interesting is the fact that my first edit to the template happened the same day Delt started updating and extending Dantman's initial version; I have no idea how I managed to find the template so early. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:16, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
Look at this, you bugged me to do it myself about Discussion article and now you're bugging DinoGuy off for his permission to post your stuffs or begged him to post those stuffs up on the certain articles... Why not just go and do it yourself then wait and see if other admins approved, beside this dude. --FredCat 20:28, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
Don't really want to, but I still might. Actually, I probably should, since I don't even think those pages have an actual category. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:42, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
In this case, it wasn't something I was sure needed to be done, FredCat. And at this point, Dinoguy is the primary maintainer of the template I'd be messing with - a template I'm not familiar enough with to do any major work to. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:42, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
Speak of that "template"; I just received a message from Goldy that there is a glitch in one gallery article... "Hero Flash!!" has that kind of glitch on top of the recipe... --FredCat 20:46, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
Awesome, looks like you got it, Dinoguy. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 21:22, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
Indeed, Fred, working with templates is quite a bit different from working with other types of pages, since a single edit to a template can affect many many pages. In addition, templates are currently only one degree removed from straight-up programming (if even that), and in many respects, are actually harder to write and edit than actual program/application code. Because of these (and how they interact with various behaviors of MediaWiki), editing a template isn't something you should generally do unless you have a reasonable idea of what's going on in the code you edit; CardTable2 uses some fairly intricate code in places (there is some of it that even I don't fully understand), so it's perfectly reasonable for Cheesedude to ask someone else to edit the template instead of trying to do so himself and potentially breaking stuff or introducing subtle bugs. ;)
I fixed the problem with the gallery header; the issue was that double exclamation points (!!) are wikicode for a new header cell when used inside a wikicode table, which is what {{GalleryHeader}} uses. It wouldn't be an issue if the template was converted to instead use an HTML table, but doing that would require updating literally every transclusion on the site (since you can't mix HTML and wikicode for a table's markup), and I don't have the patience for that. ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:27, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
Actually, they do have a category. I just somehow never noticed it. I've been thinking about this more. The whole thing needs some restructuring, I think. One thing I've been doing is taking out redundant search cats (i.e. Destroys Monster Cards, Destroys your opponent's face-up Attack Position Monster Cards; the second is pointless if the first is already there). Is there any way to make a page show up in the list shown on two search cat pages while only listing it on one. i.e., anything listed at Destroys your opponent's Trap Cards would also be listed at Destroys Trap Cards by default?
There's also no clear definitions for which parameters are used for each cat. I've seen Tributes for cost listed as both "action" and "mst". Generally, I use "action" for that one.
There's also other stuff about this I wanted to point out that I have gone and forgotten between beginning to type this out and now. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:28, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
Definitely; a systematic codification (and, where necessary, restructuring/overhaul) of the card search categories is long overdue.
That's pretty simple; just include e.g. "Destroys your opponent's face-up Attack Position Monster Cards" in the query on "Destroys Monster Cards". There's a potential issue with the sheer size of the query (or, more specifically, the number of conditions in the query) once you start getting to the more generic properties, but concepts should help mitigate that.
I've noticed that type of confusion occasionally myself. In the specific case of "Tributes for cost", action does seem the more appropriate category. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:05, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Image

Hey Dinoguy, could you delete File:MahaVailo-DT05-EN-DNPR-DT.jpg and then move File:MahaVailoDT05-EN-DNPR-DT.jpg there, please? Blackwings0605 corrected all of the links on Set Card Galleries:Duel Terminal 5 (TCG-EN-DT) to the proper format, but only renamed a few of the images, so I assumed all the red-links were images we didn't have. >_> --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 23:52, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Done (more or less; instead of explicitly deleting the first image, I just moved the second over it). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:07, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
Well the result appears to be the same, I just can't move over existing things, as you know. :) --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 12:48, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Xentax

http://forum.xentax.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7144&view=next I guess no one's interested in looking at this. =D The download link's expired by now; if someone does want to have a look, let me know and I'll reupload the files. Mail：646545235@qq.com I hope you can provide theThank you! ! ! —This unsigned comment was made by 67.158.60.98 (talk • contribs) 07:56, April 11, 2012

Hey, can you remind me by posting on that thread? Thanks! 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:08, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Other Glitch

Hello, Me thought you would to be aware of this same error as before. Have a nice evening! --FredCat 16:17, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Fixed. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:33, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

New article, yet agaaaain!

What do you think? If you think it's not quite good - just inform me of what to change and take out. Anything is allow! --FredCat 22:28, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Looks decent to me. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:10, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
Ah, I am glad it's in good shape. This user was in bad shape, so I just went ahead and create it to prevent the further troublesome. And yes, I put that image in correct address just for her and I gave it to her. Other three she found already belong to this site... --FredCat 12:26, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
A little long; the average new user may not take the time to read that through, especially the younger ones, who cause the most trouble. Grammar could be cleaned up as well. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 12:38, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
To remind ya, Goldy... she's in Europe, maybe further than where Dino living in and she was very tired at that time when I explained the details to her. At least she did realizing that she had done wrong and just let the stuffs go, while I passed the one she found that don't belong to this site into her profile. Lighten up the mood, please. --FredCat 12:43, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Blaze Accelerator archetype

"Wild Fire" may be support. Can you check the jplore? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:53, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Either you peeked and went to checking "Wild Fire" or that was just coincidence; I was just mentioned "Blaze Accelerator" in ATEM's talk page about the error that I had done in my story I wrote so ancient-age ago. --FredCat 16:07, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
Looks like archsupport to me. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:43, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Mover

In the future, please be sure to let anyone know about their right to be a Mover - I didn't know about that till Goldy told me about that. Hell, he ever showed me a link to that article where my name was listed. It's like leaving the message without a signature in each forum/talk page, a bad habit, I am tell ya; Dino. And I never ask to have the title of mover but I do deserve that since I confirm to Goldy and you about this. Thank you, and please be sure to information other if they get it, alright? --FredCat 19:00, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

I thought I did tell you about it, though, albeit rather obliquely. Sorry about that. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:07, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
No need to sorry - only matter is to keep the inform on high alert. Btw, as my instinct break-up the sound rhyme of your comment, it turned out little funny (not mean funny, just feel-funny-ish) to think of how to "speak" it out. (Yes, our roles are complete oppose, you curious'd about my language, I am curious about your oddly way of typing down those comments.) --FredCat 19:10, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
I find it hilarious you've had the ability for over 2 weeks and didn't realize it. That explains your confusion the time I told you to suppress redirects; you didn't know you could! --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 19:31, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
Honestly, I was pointing to "Delete" mark (which why I said dump), but that was not clearly when I was in that state back then. But now, it's all clearly! >:( --FredCat 21:42, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

RE: 1st Ed. Inzektor Dragonfly

It needs to be looked at as it is saying the proper version for that card is a Common when the Image and the Info on the Gallery Page clearly shows it as a Rare card. Thank you for diverting your attention to this matter. Glittersword Talk • Contributions 23:25, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Was this message meant for Look234? It looks like he helped you out with it already on your talk page. If not, could you link me to the image you're talking about? You can link to an image instead of embedding it by adding a colon at the beginning of the filename, e.g. [[:File:Example.jpg]] results in File:Example.jpg. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 08:48, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

May have another one.

"Harpie Lady Sparrow Formation" and "Harpie Lady Phoenix Formation" call for a "Harpie Lady monster" Not a "Harpie", a "Harpie Lady". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:34, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Their Japanese lores don't have the normal "with X in its name" text; what does Ryusui say about them? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:12, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
Then it's not an archetype then. Yay. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:04, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Confirmed another two. You said you were interesed to see how my undocumented ones we had, so that's why I'm telling you everytime I find one. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:54, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

That's fine, it gives me an excuse to stuff my watchlist. =D 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:47, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

Mover Helps!

May you point out of how to delete the images; you also forgot to show me how.... --FredCat 20:40, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

The mover right doesn't allow you to delete existing pages; are you referring instead to being able to suppress redirects? If so, you can do that when moving a page by unchecking the "Leave a redirect behind" checkbox. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:58, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
Fred's got it down now, actually. Delta and I helped him out. :) --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 05:01, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
Cool, sorry I'm so late to the party. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:16, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
In future, give someone their power and forget to teach them again, you're dump down in the rank! --FredCat 20:52, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

Speaking of moving

Now that bots can be given mover rights as well, would it be possible to use them to fix all of the images in galleries without the hyphen before the set abbreviation? --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 00:44, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

Kind of... In most cases, it can be done by inserting a hyphen after the last lowercase letter before the first hyphen in the card's name (if that makes sense), but there are cases where that would separate part of the card's name as part of the set ID, and there are also cases where the gallery contains images with a mixture of old and new-style names. It would help automate the actual change, but each edit would still need to be manually reviewed. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:04, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
So it's as similar to doing a find and replace in Microsoft Word as I imagined it to be? ie., a bot could be set to change tDB1 to t-DB1, thus fixing File:PenguinKnightDB1-EN-C-UE.jpg, File:BlackPendantDB1-EN-R-UE.jpg, etc.? Galleries seem pretty easy to review: just look for the redlinks. The time it would take to fix any errors would probably be far less than the time it would take for someone to go through a gallery manually to make the changes. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 15:43, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
Kind of (I'm saying that a lot all of a sudden, aren't I? ;P ). A bot could make full use of regexes, meaning we could use something like (?:File\:|Image\:)?(.+?)([A-Z0-9]{2,5})- (don't worry if you can't understand that, regex is just a stone's throw from being a write-only language (and is already there for many people)). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:39, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
Magic. Gotcha.
Just thought I'd propose it as a way to speed up what would otherwise be a long and tedious process. While I was fixing the Duel Terminal 6 (TCG) images I though of it, but maybe you've all had this in mind already. :) --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 17:01, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
Well, yeah, I have had the thought, but I've been leery of doing it myself because I feel it would be best for all the images to be properly renamed first, and there are also other issues that have to be handled, in particular with punctuation in image names that should be removed (dashes in card names, in particular), but that's just me, and Falzar would probably be willing to go ahead with a bot run. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:34, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
Just to make sure we're on the same page, I was talking about using the bots to properly rename the images, then having them fix the gallery pages. We could look at the galleries beforehand to rename and images with dashes so that they don't get messed up. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 17:56, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
Aha, that's what I thought at first, but your wording in your opening comment didn't seem to support that. =)
It would be possible, but not with our currently active bots; they all use AWB, and so far as I've been able to tell, there is no way to automate page renames in AWB. That means we'd need someone to write a bot for us specifically for that purpose. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:01, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
You should see me try to explain things to people out loud. >_>
But anyway, hopefully someone will write such a bot someday. It's time consuming moving so many images. Probably why Blackwings0605 only changed the Duel Terminal 5 page links, but didn't bother to rename the images (I've since fixed them all). --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 18:28, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
I'm open to making "rename all images that have punctuation in the image name" my next project, if that would help. Though it would certainly be quite a while until I finish my current one. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:20, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
That was part of my motivation for creating {{OCG-TCG card image}} - it still requires work to deploy, but that work is more amenable to AWB, and after the template is added, it allows any admin (or, now, any editor with the mover user right) to rename the image in one click, with zero typing and zero work in determining the correct file name (though uses of the image still have to be updated manually).
Cheesedude: If you want to, I'd say go for it. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:55, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

Token issue

There is at least one token that can be Summoned by more than one card. In this case, "Ecole de Zone and "Imitation". Using a comma in the "summon" parameter just gives a read link. Can you change it to be a parameter that can use commas? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:28, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

Done, though it's currently just hardcoded to allow one extra card (and it'll break on any card names with a comma). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:16, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
Alright, thanks. For now, that won't be a problem. That may be an isolated case anyway. I can't think of any more off the top of my head, at least. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:07, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Mover

ins and Duel summaries

The Oasis CSS includes an ins{text-decoration:none}. Have you any idea why they've done that? I was considering just undoing it in the MediaWiki:Wikia.css. -- Deltaneos (talk) 12:05, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure... The only place the corresponding del element is mentioned in the file is in the code a, abbr, address, article, aside, audio, b, blockquote, body, canvas, caption, cite, code, dd, del, details, dfn, div, dl, dt, em, embed, fieldset, figcaption, figure, footer, form, h1, .WikiaRail .module h2, .WikiaRail #RIGHT_SKYSCRAPER h2,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,object,ol,p,pre,q,samp,section,#LEFT_SKYSCRAPER_2,small,span,strong,sub,summary,sup,time,ul,var,video{border:0;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline} (which does reset some of its attributes, but not its text-decoration, which defaults to a strike-through in many browsers).
Keep in mind, though, that ins (and del) has a very specific semantic meaning - specifically, to mark text that has been deleted (del) and inserted (ins) at some point. I'm not sure how useful these elements could be for us, unless we found text we wanted to quote that used them or something. Did you have some use in mind? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:06, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
I see. That makes a lot more sense. I've just been using ins as a non-deprecated alternative to u for all purpose underlining. I should have really known it wasn't that straightforward. I'll clean-up after myself. It seems weird that they removed the underline, but no, I don't have any legitimate use in mind, so it doesn't matter for now. Thanks. -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:15, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
These turn headings had been where I was using it. Would you say they're better without the underlines or should we throw in some extra work to add the underline CSS? -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:27, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
Actually, I have to ask (or rather, I've been wondering for some time and never bothered to mention it until now) whether there's any reason for us not to use definition lists for Duel summaries like that - dt (;) for the headings, and dd (:) for the descriptions. This would provide appropriate visual emphasis and semantic meaning to boot. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:31, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
What about when there's more than one paragraph per turn summary? -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:39, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
Use a : on each. It should work the same way as the "other_names" parameter in {{Infobox archetype}}, or as {{Yu-Gi-Oh! volumes}}. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:07, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
This is what it's like, side thumbnails and all. Any chance we could do something simple to get padding around the paragraphs? A bit like before? -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:34, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
You mean top/bottom padding? We could wrap it in a div with a unique class (we'd probably want to template the div) and do .classname dd { padding: ...; } in MediaWiki:Common.css... 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:49, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
That'd also let us add underlines to .classname dt, if necessary. Templating the div sounds good. I'd worry about using tags that open and close that far apart on not-so-technical pages, where newer users are likely to get confused. -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:22, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
If necessary, yes, but ideally the bolding and the difference in indentation should be enough emphasis. ;)
One note on the CSS: to prevent us from having to reset the left and right padding (and thus end up with all the potential issues associated with doing so), we would want to specify padding-top and padding-bottom individually. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:02, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
(Reset indent) If we are making a template, what if we took the next step and set it, so that each turn is a parameter and used something like: 
<dl>
<dt>{{{turn1}}}</dt>
<dd>
{{{turnsummary1}}}
</dd>
<dt>{{{turn2}}}</dt>
<dd>
{{{turnsummary2}}}
</dd>
</dl>
That way we'd only have one dd per dt and by just typing each turnsummary like regular paragraphs, they'd get their p tags and associated padding. -- Deltaneos (talk) 10:07, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
In that case, I'd suggest using one outer template for the dl (since we'd be using HTML instead of wikimarkup to generate the list, we could also ditch the outer div and apply the class directly to the dl) and an inner template for each dt/dd pair. That way if a duel in a given setting has a zillion turns, that can be supported without having a zillion parameter pairs in the template. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:44, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
Template:Duel summary and Template:Duel summary/turn maybe? Same example. -- Deltaneos (talk) 13:00, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
Looks good. I can see there being a bit of confusion on exactly how it's supposed to work, but I think that's probably unavoidable. Are you still wanting the extra padding, and if so, do you have a class name in mind? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:59, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
Er sorry, I meant margin, not padding. Now that the paragraphs are in their p tags, that's no longer a problem. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:03, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
Aah, all right, then. So it should be ready to be deployed more widely, right? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:05, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
I guess so. Unless there's anything else that might need changing? -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:11, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
Nothing that I know of, but then I don't do much with Duel summaries. The most likely thing would be the addition of a class name for whatever purpose, and that can be done at any time. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:13, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Spiritual Light Art

Turned out your money went down the drain... if you remembered the discussion in this article... --iFredCat 22:51, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yep, I vaguely remembered that discussion, thanks for linking to it. I'm definitely not complaining about being wrong, though; consistency is a wonderful thing and this is one more piece of evidence that "Dark Spirit Art" isn't meant to be part of the series (though again, if that is the case, I don't know what it is supposed to be, since its Japanese name matches up perfectly). =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:54, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Duelist Edition Volumes 3 and 4

Articles were created for Duelist Edition Volume 3 and Duelist Edition Volume 4 with neoarkcradle as the source. Uiam, you have an account there. Are you able to get the primary source? -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:03, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

The set info was posted by Ark, so I don't think that's in doubt. The specific post linked to as a reference, though, was just some random comment in the thread; I've changed the links to instead point to Ark's comment. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:41, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Image borked

I had just moved File:QuizPanelObelisk-20-JP-Anime-GX.png to File:QuizPanelObelisk20-JP-Anime-GX.png. The image itself has vanished. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:35, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

This is beyond me; you'll have to see if Wikia can fix it. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:44, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
Alright, sent them a message. I've never seen this one before and I've moved hundreds of images. Very weird. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:49, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
The file itself still exists. It's just not showing up in either of file pages. You could just reupload it, but that might result in it saying that a duplicate file exists. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:24, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
That worked. Thanks, Delt. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:10, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
Took me forever to notice this little typo... you're done that again, Coffee Dude? --iFredCat 00:19, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
We are however left with it saying:
The following file is a duplicate of this file (more details):
-- Deltaneos (talk) 11:28, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
True, hopefully Wikia will be able to fix that part. To me, the main issue was getting the image to display again though. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:17, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Another strange bug. Can either of you move this image? The "rename" button isn't there for me. And I just moved about ten other images in the last few hours... Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:11, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

I can't, and trying it manually results in a "no such target page" error. Interestingly enough, the software also claims that there's no history, and the protect tab thinks it's a nonexistent page (notice the create protection control, instead of the normal edit/move controls), though its deletion page and upload log appear normal. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:22, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
That's an old bug. The page gets moved, but the file itself gets left behind. When I've had this problem before, I've been able to fix it by moving the page back to its old location, where the file can "reattach" itself to the page, and then moving it again. I've moved it back to its original location, but now I get Unable to write to file "/images/y/yugioh/images/9/91/RoughExploder-JP-Anime-GX.png": file exists when I try moving it again. -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:50, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Tracking images

A user has been using their own custom tag to track images that they feel are poor quality. Could you please explain to them why we don't do that? --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 20:21, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Comment left on their talk page. For the record, an admin's opinion wasn't needed, really, just an experienced editor's or three. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 08:20, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, he struck me as one of those "get me the manager!" types. I knew my explanations wouldn't be good enough. Thanks. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 11:50, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
Since I did just find this while I was Perusing some of the other postings in Dino's talk page I will comment on this now. It wasn't that I thought I NEEDED a manager, I thought that this, IF it wasn't handled correctly could lead to an edit war which I did not want. Golden Key you have Mover and Rollback privileges that did not make you the authority on how another user could control/perform a project he was working on and monitoring. Sysops are the ones that are here to mediate between contributors and keep things from getting out of hand.
The Tags limited the scope of what I was observing to exactly what I wanted it to. However, the Poor Quality tag "can" show me images "I" did not evaluate and is outside the scope of my current project. I just wanted to keep an eye on the ones I thought needed updated. I do not see how the custom tag added any overhead to the system. I feel as long as the person using the tag cleans them up when he is done with them it is irrelevant to anybody else if they are there. I was careful to make them Hidden so as not to distract anyone viewing the page. The key was it was working for the purpose I needed it for and it was nobody's concern but mine. The only thing I would add to the tag at this point would be a signeture behind it so it is easy to keep track of who put it there. Glittersword Talk • Contributions 19:47, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Set redirect templates

Hey just wanted to let you know I'll put back all the set template redirects. The reason I got rid of them in the first place was that I added the {OCG-TCG card image} template to the first couple of HAO5-IT card images and they linked fine without the HA05/IT redirect template, I hadn't created it yet. Not sure how that could have been a bug though, I kept checking to make sure it wasn't breaking anything every so often. Looks like a night sleep broke everything though. Any ideas why it would have worked without the language redirect for the set template? Sorry again I'll fix it this afternoon. Look234 (talk • contribs) 12:10, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Were you using "region" instead of "lang" for those images? The template not linking through the redirects was a bug I was aware of for a while but didn't find the cause of (namely, using "region" instead of "lang") until last night (at which point I fixed it, causing the breakage), so there were quite a few images that weren't properly using them. You don't have to restore all of them, BTW, just the ones that actually are used; knowing the keyboard shortcut to a page's Special:WhatLinksHere page (Alt+J (Alt+⇧ Shift+J in some browsers)) helps a lot there. I'll probably go through more of them later myself, so don't think the burden is on you alone. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:13, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, yeah I've been trying to help get the template a little more active. It's showing up a bit more now so that's good news. Also, I found a few problems while adding the template, you probably already know about these but just in case:
Sorry I'm going to ask a few more questions, do you have a way to override the "edition" or the "set" for some cards? The problem for this is that the card says that their gallery does not exist or that it's from the wrong set. Some more examples:
No rush on anything, I know you have your own projects to work on, just giving you a heads up just in case you hadn't seen these yet. Thanks again for the template, it does help clean up misnamed cards while I'm going through the galleries and it looks nice. ^_^ Look234 (talk • contribs) 19:59, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the reports, I'll look into them at some point (probably a bit later).
I knew there'd be a problem with "Damage = Reptile"; SMW's distinction between input and data is poor (poorer then wikimarkup/ParserFunctions, even), with one symptom being that it absolutely chokes on page names containing equals signs. This is something I've fixed elsewhere; the fix should be reasonably straightforward, albeit ugly as hell.
In contrast, I'm surprised at hearing that it has difficulties with card names containing exclamation points or stuff like "(card)"; I'll have a look and see what's going on there.
(Warning: text dump ahead, sorry for the length... ^^;; ) Unfortunately, a card's set is nowhere near as "clean" as it could be (Konami/UDE standardized the abbreviations far later then they should have, and even now Konami seems way too willing to do weird things with abbreviations); this is why the template transcludes through the redirects you deleted (since some set abbreviations have been used for completely different sets in different regions, so this allows one of these redirects to be changed to instead handle that specific case). However, there are other cases where the same set abbreviation has been used for different sets in the same region, and still other cases (like you noted above) where they are arguably more "sub-sets" of the same set, but we treat them as separate sets for convenience. So this is an issue I knew would come up at some point, and I have put a bit of thought into it, but an elegant solution still evades me - perhaps we could do something like "YSD4P" and "PRC1V" for the set abbreviations for the above cards? Since all instances of the actual output of a set's name and abbreviation are generated by {{Set}} subpages, we could have the abbreviation display as something like "YSD4-JPP" or "PRC1-V" or similar (though that would mess with linking to the appropriate set gallery, too... hmm). (Basically, I'm wanting to not use an override parameter if I can avoid it, since that would add further complexity to using the template.) Ultimately, I'm almost positive there's some way to completely eliminate the per-set {{Set}} subtemplates; I just haven't hit on it yet (but it's something else I spend time thinking about).
Thanks, that was a major driving force for creating the template (well, that and coming across random Japanese card images that I don't recognise, aren't used or linked from anywhere, and whose names don't reflect the English name of the card). If you have any thoughts on ways the template could be further improved/refined, I'd love to hear them! =D 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:30, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
After thinking about it for a bit, I think that the ideal long-term solution to the "(card)" problem would require a pretty big change in how we name card images (namely, stop stripping every non-alphanumeric character and its dog from the card's name, and use a different delimiter for separating the different parts of the image name). I've thought of doing this in the past, using a period for the delimiter, but I don't like that since it would still require stripping the period from card names using it (of which there are a non-trivial number), and it would complicate detection of the components of the image name somewhat (just about enough to offset the simplification arising from not having to strip characters from the card name, I think). Most all other potential delimiter characters have similar problems, either appearing in card names (comma, slash) or being used as wikimarkup/by the MediaWiki software and thus complicating handling in that way (asterisk, ampersand), and some have both problems (exclamation point). I've been meaning for a while to make a list of cards that use various non-alphanumeric characters in their names; I'll have to do this now just to see what characters I might be able to use (I'm now leaning towards the tilde, but the visually-similar wave dash is used in some Japanese card names IIRC, and there's the possibility of some card being released in English with a tilde in its name (unfortunately, this is also a concern for all other potential delimiter characters, so it'll ultimately come down to what has the highest ratio of convenience versus likelihood of appearing in an English card name)).
Of course, this all assumes I could actually get the community on board with such a large change, especially considering we're still updating from my previous successful campaigns to change how we handle card image file names in various ways. The upside is that if such a change did get community support, there's already a reasonably widely deployed template that will auto-tag images needing renamed, as well as provide a link to do so in two clicks, for us. =D 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:08, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
"a pretty big change in how we name card images".....<_> <_<....Yeah, you saw this coming from me. But if it's going to solve more problems than its going to cause, then yeah, do it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:20, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
I think I should start proposing technical changes purely on the basis of whether they'll annoy you, Cheesedude... =D This isn't actually the first time I've mentioned this, but I can't find where I said it last time, and IIRC, no one commented/picked up on it at the time. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:20, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
That's fine. You can't drive me crazy with that kind of thing. I've been crazy for years.
The thing that annoys me the most is I'm finally getting around to getting every anime and manga card image at the correct file name. I'd rather like to not have to go and do it again. But oh well. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:20, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
If it's any consolation, I'll make a point of finally adding anime and manga (and VG) support to {{OCG-TCG card image}} (which means I'll also have to rename it) before proposing this change; that way, said images can be tagged and will benefit the same as OCG/TCG card images. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:43, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
That's quite a bit of consolation, actually. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:58, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
=D 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:59, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

New Images

I was just checking out some new images being uploaded and I thought you might want to review them. Here is the 1st one I looked at.

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/File:FishborgLauncher-JF12-JP-NPR.jpg

In my opinion the new images are inferior to what he is replacing. They both have a bit of blurring but I like the ones that were there before better. I just want a second opinion. the second file I looked at did the same thing. Beyond that I still have to look. Glittersword Talk • Contributions 20:42, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

I dunno, past a certain point, image quality gets very subjective. Blackwings is a generally trusted editor, and if he thinks his images are enough of an improvement over what we currently have quality-wise, I'm inclined to trust his judgement. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:46, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, Blackwing's images look fine to me as well. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 20:52, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

No problem then, I checked some of the others and some I agreed with some I didn't. I guess I just like vibrant colors. What can I say. that was why I asked for a second opinion though, before I went wacky with the revert button. They are a lot smaller in regards to File size though. Glittersword Talk • Contributions 21:03, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

Heraldry Beast

Could you tell me what the hell is going on with the "Members" link in this infobox of the "Heraldry Beast" page? The article, List of "Heraldry Beast" cards" exists, but the infobox is linking as a red link and is attempting to link to List of "Heraldry Beast" cards, List of "Heraldry Beast" cards, List of "Heraldry" cards, List of "Heraldry" cards for some reason. I'm thinking it has something to do with "Heraldry" being redirected to "Heraldry Beast" and the unredirected back to its own article.
Also, can you look at "Heraldry Beast Aberconway" and/or "Heraldry Beast Bernard's Falcon" and isolate the Japanese text for "Heraldry Beast" based on "High Medallion Arts". I can't quite do so. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:40, May 16, 2012 (UTC)
I think it's a SMW caching issue related to (as you said) making stuff redirects and then reverting; it's fixed itself, so there's not much for me to do now (though I tried plenty of stuff before it fixed itself).
Done. Also, where are the "English" lores for "High Medallion Arts" and the "Number" monster coming from? I thought we only did "English anime" lores for anime-only cards? I'm especially asking since I'm not seeing any evidence that the anime lores actually explicitly support "Heraldry Beast"... 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:35, May 16, 2012 (UTC)
What? The cards are being released in Abyss Rising and the lores are from the spoiler list, I suppose. The anime lores are...from the anime. And the anime effects don't support "Heraldry Beast". Its the real effects that do. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:34, May 16, 2012 (UTC)
Actually, I"m watching episode 54 now. Tron seems to say Monshōjū when he uses "High Medallion Arts" and the text on the anime card image itself appears longer than the text we have transcribed in "jpanimelore". Its anime effect may also support "Heraldry Beast". A better image is needed to confirm it though. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:59, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
Right, I didn't think to check if the cards were actually being released; I just assumed they were currently anime-only. I found a JP lore for Number 8, but couldn't find one for HMA (not that I either looked terribly hard or particularly know where to look...). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:06, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
Bit of a necro bump, and you might be aware already, but Heraldry Beast page has been acting up again for a few days now. Similarly, Navigation links are saying Card Gallery:Absorbing Jar doesn't exist. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 13:11, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
Fixed it for good, I think. The problem was List of "Heraldry" cards, which was left over from Heraldry. Since the latter was redirected to Heraldry Beast, the list started acting like a "Heraldry Beast" member list, and because of the way the links are designed and SMW works, that caused the weird links. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:59, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
Then it must be the existence of Card Gallery:Absorb Jar that's causing the other problem I mentioned. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 18:07, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
Oh, right, I forgot about that part. =/ Yeah, that's what was causing it. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:18, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Hyper Coat, redux

Guess what? Falzar discovered some other cards that are valid targets for its effect. See here. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:07, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Commented there. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 15:57, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

Delay in replacing bgcolor

There's a bgcolor attribute used in {{CardTable2}}, followed by a comment saying that some custom colours need to be fixed before it can be replaced with its CSS equivalent. I just noticed today that Internet Explorer 7 and 8 are having trouble displaying three digit hexadecimal colour codes used there, so the top of nearly every card article is black. Three digit colour codes work fine when using style though. So what is it that needs to be fixed with the custom colours before we can change the bgcolor to a style? Alternatively we can just switch the colour codes to six digits, but I'd rather we just got rid of the bgcolor. -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:07, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

It's because custom colors may use quotes around the color name/value. I think we could go ahead and replace it, and just make sure to check for and strip quotes from custom values, but if that's done, it should be followed up with actually checking and removing quotes from values on card articles. I think I was planning on doing this at the same time I looked through the custom values used to see if there are any that could reasonably be moved into the template, but obviously haven't gotten around to doing either yet. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:44, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
I went ahead and updated {{CardTable2}}; it shouldn't break any transclusions, but there's always the possibility. Transclusions should be updated as soon as reasonable so the hack can be removed from the template. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:15, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Question Regarding Retro1 and Retro2

Just a quick question for you. Were the Retro Packs released in the U.S.? I see they have the EN after the Card Code. However the Release Dates Say European TCG Releas and they have the European Union flag at the top of the page. It is sending mixed messages to me. Glittersword Talk • Contributions 18:28, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure I have a pack of RP01 (which, given that I live in the Midwest and buy my cards almost exclusively from Walmart, would be pretty weird if the sets weren't released in the U.S.), and the yugioh-card.com RP02 page explicitly mentions a North American version of the set (unfortunately, like for all releases prior to Konami regaining TCG distribution rights from Upper Deck, yugioh-card.com doesn't have an information on RP01). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:05, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Infobox migration

So, what's the plan? Are there any thoughts on us starting to convert all the old infoboxes, which use the ACG material, to the Wikipedia-like ones? -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:51, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, that's definitely the plan, though I was intending to wait until I did some more work on the language support in {{Infobox archetype}} (after which it would be broken out into a subtemplate of {{Infobox}} so it could be more easily reused), and perhaps looked a bit more at the styling.
The long-term plan is also to create dedicated infoboxes for a lot of stuff that currently uses only the generic ACG infobox modules, if you're curious. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:08, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Another archetype

"Vision Polymerization" (which should really be at "Vision Fusion", if you ask me) seems to specify just "Vision" cards. Which would include "Vision HEROes", "Phantom Magician" and probably some other cards. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:00, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

That does look like a new archetype, though it would not support "Vision HERO" cards; it specifies "幻影(ヴィジョン)" whereas the Japanese name of "Vision HERO" is "Ｖ・ＨＥＲＯ(ヴィジョンヒーロー)". 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:55, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
.....Then the effect itself is wrong. When the card was used in the manga, it was used to fuse Vision HEROes (and only Vision HEROes, actually). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:05, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
Manga logic? =D 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:08, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
So, what do you suppose we should do, then? Because I have no clue. We should probably check to see if any of the other things we have listed as "Vision HERO" support cards have this same issue... Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:14, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
For actual archsupport, go with a literal reading of the effect, and add a note to "Vision HERO"? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:53, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
Meaning we would create a "Vision" archetype page and note that "Vision HEROes" apply for some reason? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:55, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
Basically, yeah. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:57, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
I actually really don't like that idea. That said, I have no other ideas myself. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:18, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
It'd be similar to "Papillon" in that regard, wouldn't it? --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 04:23, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
Yup. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:50, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
I can't say I like it either, but, like you, I'm at a loss as to what else we might do in this situation, so we might as well continue what we started with "Papillon". 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:06, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
Since the Japanese lore doesn't put quotation marks around the word "Vision", would it be okay to assume its not referring to the cards by a portion of their name? -- Deltaneos (talk) 11:51, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
I dunno. We (or at least I) have treated it as name-calling (heh) in the past, chalking it up to weird manga being weird; if we didn't do so here, we'd also have to go back through and find/fix all previous instances of this (and that still leaves the question of how exactly we would handle these: if we don't treat them as identical to archetype support, how do we note them?). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:42, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm not aware of any others besides "Prayer to the Evil Spirits", but I'm sure they do exist. I may find some when I get to the manga cards (I'll record them on one of my sandboxes pages in-case we do decided to change them). Currently, I have a few hundred more anime cards to update first. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:22, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
"Forbidden Mantra" is another one that doesn't use quotes and it pluralises the name. I don't suppose the English manga shone any light on the "Prayer to the Evil Spirits" example? -- Deltaneos (talk) 13:35, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
I dunno; "Prayer" appears after the last 5D's chapter to be serialized in Shonen Jump, and Weekly Shonen Jump Alpha didn't continue the serialization (though it has featured the first chapter of ZEXAL). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:31, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

Ghost/Gold Hybrid Rare

Look and I were wondering if you could help with this. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 19:12, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

Commented there. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:26, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

Question about Template:CardTable2/doc

Why is that everytime I hit edit on that page to view the Source Code the system takes me back to the login Page and then back to the Doc page without ever allowing me to view the source code? Glittersword Talk • Contributions 00:24, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

That sounds like an error on Wikia's end; this link should work fine without having to log in at all (it worked for me while logged out, at least). On that note, I'm gonna have to do something about the cascading protection on {{CardTable2}}; it also protects the /doc subpage, which we probably really don't want to happen. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:15, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Another vandal

Apparently one that hasn't learned not to hold grudges. Just notifying you now so you can an eye on him. Lord Grammaticus (talk • contribs) 06:57, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Sect's surname

Sect's surname is said in this scene in chapter 10 of the Japanese manga. Can you see if it's mentioned in the English manga too? I think I made a stupid mistake that's been uncorrected for two years. I moved the page to Sect Injuin, when III spelled it without that first "n" in the previous edit. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:17, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

III got it right; the English version has his surname as "Ijuin". ;)
If there are any other names you need me to check or anything, I can easily get at the issues of SJ with chapters 9 through 14 (where the magazine ended); my earlier issues are all packed away so it'd be a bit more trouble for me to find the right issue for earlier chapters, but I could if needed. I also subscribe to Weekly Shonen Jump Alpha, which has featured the first chapter of ZEXAL, so I can also check stuff from that if needed. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:23, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Card Table Set Question

When looking at Ancient Gear Beast I noticed that the sets were done in a format I haven't noticed before. 

{{Card table set|Dark Revelation Volume 3|DR3-EN187|R}}

rather than 

'''[[Dark Revelation Volume 3]]''' ([[DR3-EN187]] - [[R]])

(You'll need to see these in edit mode to see the coding differences of course)

Is this an old style that is just hanging around or is it a new format that we are switching to or does it really make any difference at all?

For consistency's sake I think we need to use one or the other and I personally prefer the second style cause I think that style is in way more pages. Glittersword Talk • Contributions 05:34, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

It's a "bleeding-edge" style, if you will - that's the style that we'll eventually use across all our card pages, but {{Card table set}} isn't actually ready for general use; I have at least one change planned that will break all current transclusions, and there's work on other templates that also has to be done before it's ready to go. For now, if you see it on any card pages, you should remove it. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:17, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Probable block evasion

Take a look at this. Lord Grammaticus (talk • contribs) 21:25, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

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