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- Jin was never Number Hunter, he's his own character, unlike Rare Hunter. So I am glad you get him out. --FredCat 18:55, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Astral seemed to create out from the ship-thing in the Emperor's Key. We don't know that Yuma gets to keep it. It could be similar to Majestic Dragon. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:10, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
- While "Utopia Ray" may be a "Number", I don't think that it will count towards the 100 "Number" card limit. This is because each "Number" is a memory of Astral. He only created the "Chaos Number" because of his strong feelings of friendship (and no new memories were gained). However, this is still uncertain, until we see the next time that Astral goes and visits the Emperor's Key to unlock new memories. Plus, now with the existence of a "Chaos Number", we must not rule out the possibility of other "Chaos Numbers".
I doubt they will be more Chaos Numbers. Utopia was made to Chaos as a upgrade version to him which is common for the protagonists' Signature cards as we all have seen. DracoX (talk • contribs) 20:11, August 9, 2011 (UTC)
- Yea, yea, look at this dragon for reason, and Yuma will using more Chaos once he obtain certain Numbers. --FredCat 20:13, August 9, 2011 (UTC)
- Partially true. Although "Utopia" is his ace, it doesnt mean it's the only Number Yuma used. He also played "Leviathan Dragon" a few times. --The Goblin (talk • contribs) 20:21, August 9, 2011 (UTC)
Hunters listing Edit
- The "defeated" should be changed to "Eliminated". Jin showed that even if someone loses a duel with Numbers, the winner only takes the Numbers the loser had during the duel, otherwise Yuma would also have taken the Number Jin had hidden. Also, Tetsuo could be included in a "Temporary Numbers Hunters" or something. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 22:53, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
Both of you stop. If you continue, I'll lock the article and neither of you will be able to edit it. Discuss it here and see what others think. Stop edit warring. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:04, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
I'm just saying that Ryoga should be placed on there. But why don't we just leave the page alone and let other contributers decide. —This unsigned comment was made by 184.108.40.206 (talk • contribs) 02:07, September 13, 2011
- That's what the talk page is for. Seeing what everyone else thinks. Let me make something perfectly clear to both of you. It doesn't matter which of you right. You're edit warring. If you continue, I'll lock the article.
- In any case, I don't think that Ryoga should be listed. Perhaps he deserves a mention in the prose, but not the chart. Mention that he sort of "hunted" Numbers. Can you both agree to that, perhaps? Or do either of you (or anyone else) have a compromise in mind? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:11, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
- I think that mentioning him is something I can agree with, but He shouldn't be put in the chart because he has no way of Taking Numbers nor does He want them. Jamesfury (talk • contribs) 02:15, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
Well first I'm going to have to make some adjustments to the portal pages, but my idea is that why don't you let me put in a "Temporary Numbers Hunters" section on the article. I think it's not a bad idea since a few people suggested it on here. —This unsigned comment was made by Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 02:24, September 13, 2011
- ...but he didn't hunt the Numbers in the first place. So he's not a Numbers Hunter of any kind, temporary or otherwise. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:26, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
That's not what I meant. I meant maybe we should put Ryoga, along with Tetsuo and Tonosuke =, and maybe even the other Numbers Holders should be mentioned on a section called... "Numbers Holders?" You know what I mean (I hope) --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 02:29, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
Going with Firered. I've always considered there to be three types of Numbers Holders. Numbers Hunters (Yuma, Jin, and Kaito), Numbers possessed (Like Fuya, Tokunske, and Ukyo), and Standard Numbers Holders (Shark when he dueled Kaito and Tetsuo). All have Numbers, but they have different. Numbers Possessed is someone who's been controlled by Numbers, they're actions are changed due to Numbers corrupting properties, Numbers Holders are people who cannot take Numbers, but they can control them and are immune to this effect. Maybe we should rename this to "Numbers Holders" and make Numbers Hunters a subcategory. Jamesfury (talk • contribs) 02:35, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
Wow, all you did was erase everything of "Numbers Hunter" and renamed it to "Numbers Holders" then left. You know, there is a whole list of numbers and who they possessed in "Numbers". i don't think there is much stuff to talk about the holders since most of the stuff are already mentioned in that article. T_T LastMinute (talk • contribs) 02:59, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
- It's looking better now. My only comment would be that the article is at "Numbers Holder" and it also has a subsection called that. "Numbers Holder" works well as a catch-all term for those possessed, Hunters and others. The subsection should be renamed though. Not sure to what. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:15, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
- I think I may have found a clue. In episode 22, Orbital 7 refers to Yuma as a "Number Duelist". Could we consider that as an official term for the Number holders? --The Goblin (talk • contribs) 20:27, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
I can't rename this Numbers Holder
s since there's already 1 existing and it's redirecting to this. i could copy/paste, but i'm told not to. LastMinute (talk • contribs) 03:18, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
- How about Numbers User for the name? Sound more general and is correct for all the cases EBFWR (talk • contribs) 03:35, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
- Sure, why not. but that "Number Holder" sub-article about Shark and Tetsuo is really confusing me. i was like, "What?...". that's just messed up. it needs a different name. LastMinute (talk • contribs) 03:45, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, Charlie was using his luck to steal cards for some reason, and he just happened to take one of Yuma/Astral's Numbers. It doesn't seem like he had a desire to take them. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 08:27, November 24, 2011 (UTC)
- Only one card was shown to be a Xyz Monster. We don't know whether it was a Number or not. --18.104.22.168 (talk) 12:36, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
Syuta Hayami Edit
Hunters + AbbreviationEdit
- What does "TBC" stand for?
- Shouldn't the "Numbers Hunters" list be in a separated page?
User:LegenaryAsariUgetsu, December 31st, 2011, 10:52 (UTC)
- My only guess is "to be confirmed", since we don't know what it is yet.
- I would say that eventually we will need to split it. Right now, I think it's fine how it is. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:48, December 31, 2011 (UTC)
- Following Cheesy's comment, it can also used as "To be continued..." but that's not true. --iFredCat 02:36, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
Holder vs. Hunter Edit
Hey, don't you think there should be two different articles for Numbers Holders and Numbers Hunters??? I mean, there is a bit of a difference between the two. If you're a Number Holder, you possess a number, but don't necessarily want to have more Numbers or are looking for Numbers.And if you're a Number Hunter, you wish to possess more Numbers and you don't actually need to possess a Number to hunt for them. --PhotonKaito (talk • contribs) 01:31, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
- Well separating it makes no sense at all. A Number Hunter is also classified as a Number Holder but thats not how it goes for Number Holder to be classified as a Number Hunter so thats why it was in the same page but was separated in the page ----SharkTenjo 01:47, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
- I'm in favor of split. While all Numbers holders are inclined to gather more numbers, they don't seem to be actively hunting them. We've already been able to divide the hunters into their own category on the page, might as well go with a full separation. Or not, whatever. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 03:41, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
Number Hunter being "Defeated"Edit
Seriously how do we classify Number Hunter as being defeated? When IV and III dueled Kite and Yuma, oviously they were defeated in a duel so why wasn't IV been placed as defeated at that time when clearly they were defeated. Gauche's duel with Yuma was more on a "friendly duel" so if a friendly duel is accepted as defeat, does that mean that Yuma as well is defeated since Bronk defeated him lots of times? --SharkTenjo
- Regarding Droite and Ghauch, they stopped hunting Numbers when they entered WDC as regular participants. -- The Goblin I'm feelin' the flow 14:57, July 2, 2012 (UTC)
- Also, Yuma was not marked as defeated Hunter - it was Number 96 that controlling the duel where Brock came in and defeated Yuma. --iFredCat 15:04, July 2, 2012 (UTC)
- I guess after they played their final duel (as a Number Hunter).
- Fortuno lost both a duel and his soul. No doubt that he was defeated.
- IV fell unconscious (fell into coma?) like his brothers and couldn't hunt Numbers anymore. Though I doubt he's defeated since he still has Numbers, unlike other defeated hunters.
- Captain Corn turned to corn after his loss to Yuma. (an unusual way to die from a duel)
- Thunder Spark reverted to his original form after his loss to Yuma. (another unusual way to die from a duel)
- Koron-chan stopped working for Mr. Heartland as a disguised hunter and befriended Yuma.
- -- The Goblin I'm feelin' the flow 15:57, July 2, 2012 (UTC)
- Actually Goblin, i was referring to the FRIENDLY duels Bronk had with Yuma because when Yuma dueled Gauche, it was a friendly duel but marked Gauche defeated but well the new edits seems to clear things --SharkTenjo
Should we add tron as a number hunter? He did hunt for Kite's numbers --SharkTenjo
- I think we should. Btw did anyone actually count how many Numbers Kaito had?--Laggia Will Lag You(Talk) 13:41, July 17, 2012 (UTC)
- Kaito is left without any Numbers. --The Goblin 13:53, July 17, 2012 (UTC)
- It's hard to tell how many Numbers Tron took. We know he took all of them, but not the numerical value. I'm curious if the number taken correlates with the count we've been updating since Kaito debuted. Some of the cards are shown being taken, then the scene switches and you see around eight or so enter Tron's hand. They didn't show the whole process at the same angle, so I don't know that we can get a count. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:09, July 17, 2012 (UTC)