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Official March 2011 Ban List
Official 2011 March Ban List
Blackwing - Kalut the Moon Shadow
Book of Moon
Gateway of the Six
Demise, King of Armageddon
Dewloren, Tiger Prince of the Ice Barrier
As many users have said, the Scrap archetype is definitely a potent deck to go into the tiers. I know I'm not the only one with experience with them. So which Scrap cards will get hit in the next banlist? I can see Scrapstorm and Scrap Searcher (stacks too much) getting hit (maaaaybe Scrap Chimera). But aside of my predictions, what are yours?Yugioh DED((Leaving Me Messages Are Often Left Here) 23:31, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
- That's why it is about Scraps, not the new list in general. *Yugioh DED((Leaving Me Messages Are Often Left Here) 01:50, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
- I took your suggestion about the tildes. Yugioh DED((Leaving Me Messages Are Often Left Here) 01:50, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
I foresee scrap cards getting errated to include something along the lines of, "except this cards effect." Too often I see srap players taking advantage of the fact that many scrap cards can destroy themselves, and then get some kind of special effect because they were destroyed by the effect of a scrap card. this is way too powerful of an effect, almost along the same lines as certain infernity cards being able to search out any "infernity" card, whether it be monster or spell or trap. Shirochan2010 (talk • contribs) 12:33, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
- Uhm, Scrap Goblin is the only card that destroys itself...well...there are the other Tuners...but that one 5 star caught everyone's attention like Scrap Hunter did, and Scrap Beast has too little DEF to usually survive a battle. Also, if you attack Scrap Goblin mid-game....than....I'm sorry for your horrible choice of actions.Yugioh DED((Leaving Me Messages Are Often Left Here) 01:50, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
Well, i use Scrap, abd i think that Chimera maybe will be limited to two. Scrap Dragon will probably be 2 also. But i think that nothing other will be chaged. Speed Warrior (talk • contribs) 13:06, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
It's very soon to predict the next ban list. Some can't even move on with the new! IMO, now that there are new archetypes being released I hope that the next will put some slack to damaged decks especially the Lightsworns. We can't foretell if the new archetypes will be in the next list since they're not as of yet complete. I think Scraps and Naturia could be a potential target now that we know how kickass they are (<.<)... -SilentHero26 (talk • contribs) 15:11, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
- Fish deck will be banned.
Solemn Warning is usually ran at 2. Semi'ing it......smart. Anywayy. Scraps have gotten better with the release of Othros. Atomic didn't really catch anyone's eye, except with its second effect, sort of. Scrap Dragon is the most accessible out of all three in not only a Scrap deck, but any deck. It might go Limited. That and Scrapstorm; it's a better Foolish Burial for Scraps.|DED((Leaving Me Messages Are Often Left Here) 22:44, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
oops i forgot, Solemn Warning is even better than Bottomless Trap Hole , then Solemn Warning for sure will go to 1. agree , Scrapstorm should be limited .Nagareboshi-kun (talk • contribs) 00:55, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
I agree, Scrap Dragon might be hit next list, or may not. So far I've found it very splashable and abusable, (just try using it's effect along with Quillbolt Hedgehog, a tuner and Imperial Iron Wall), In just a couple of weeks I've found it very usefull and it works with most of my decks. HouseholdCatDeity (talk • contribs) 01:55, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
...You guys are retarded. You're already saying things from a solid tier 2 deck should be hit?? Things that are completely balanced especially compared to the type of support that the tier 0-1.5 decks have??! This discussion shouldn't even exist. Scraps are so undersupported and weak right now that they will not even be considered next banlist. And this is from an avid Scrap duelist. Go discuss the still dominant Sabers and Blackwings. TenZa (talk • contribs) 17:30, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
Hey calm down, don't be rude, this topic is mere speculation, nothing else, nothing we could say here has any effect on the banlist. I don't have anything against scraps, in fact I like scraps, a lot, and I hope they are left untouched and get even more support, but I also think Scrap Dragon is banlist material, and Scraps don't need to get top tier for it to happen, all that is needed is for a top tier to abuse it, lets be realistic, the thing is a very splashable, reusable, 1 for 1 card. Take a look on Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier or Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier both are limited and Ice Barrier are nowhere in the map.HouseholdCatDeity (talk • contribs) 01:15, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
Non-Scrap decks only run 1 anyway, so i don't think it'll get hit, the most that'll happen to scraps, is that Scrap Chimera -might- go to 2, other than that, they should be fine..-Resk (talk • contribs) 01:21, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
Splashable? Yes. Reusable? I guess. 1 4 1? Yes.
Still I find those to be very weak points. Stardust Dragon is Splashable and reusable. So is Dark End Dragon. Scrap Dragon's effect is not nearly powerful enough for it to be limited just because he's nice to summon here and there in non-Scrap decks. As far as my last post-- I apologize. The insult was unnecessary; I spoke out of agitation. TenZa (talk • contribs) 15:57, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
This is a Discussion about Scraps. Not Stardust. Not DED. Yes, now Scraps are undersupported, but this is what should be hit IN THE NEXT BANLIST. There are these things called booster packs that give support towards archetypes, and in Starstrike Blast's case, Scraps are one of them. Not to mention of what TCG Exclusives will be out in STOR. That's why this is a PREDICTION topic.|DED (Leaving Me Messages Are Often Left Here) 06:40, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
Well... based on the last 2 TCG cards Guts of Steel & Scrap Mind Reader, I wouldn't put much hope on the STOR ones,,,Also, to the point of comparing Scrap dragon to Trish, People ran 3 trish, people do not. run 3 scrap dragon, other than pure scrap decks-Resk (talk • contribs) 11:21, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
Chimera, Storm and Scrap Dragon Should be hit. They are the main toolboxers of the deck. Golem should also be hit maybe because of its ability to quickly get Dragons quickly or LV with searcher. IonCharge (talk • contribs) 23:55, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
- I really think the main problem lies in Scrapyard and/or Scrapstorm. While not Scrapyard that much since you'll want your Tuners in the Grave rather than in your hand (mainly Beast), it doesn't have a cost and is a great searcher nonetheless. Scrapstorm has to be on the top of my list because it's beneficial in pretty much ALL THREE PARTS in it's effect. If you destroyed a Scrap Tuner and activate its effect, it's pretty much a 1 for 2 card, because like Pot of Greed, you'll end up with one more card in your hand. Not to mention it's a Foolish for Scraps, and look where Foolish is.Vavv Matsumoto (talk • contribs) 07:53, December 7, 2010 (UTC)
Shadyman_315 (Scraps are fine the way they are. Every deck needs an ACE. I mean talk about Gottoms E-Call and Faultroll for X-Sabers, that should be restricted cause thats beyond cheap! But its not restricted, why? It's their ACE! Infernity Barrier at 3, and with search is just too easy and insane. But its not restricted why? It's their ACE! Scrap Dragon, Chimera,Scrap Storm, it should be left alone. Scrap Dragon, Chimera, and Storm is the ACE of the deck. (Mainly Chimera) It only makes things fair to compete and to keep up speed with top rated decks. I agree, scraps are in need of more support, but we can only hope for it. So why give up hope already? Gluck to ya'll duelist. Find a way around your opponents.
Well I can see that Scraps might get hit along with Naturias as well. Especially now that Hidden Arsenal 3 has been released, Naturias are really powerful for getting their Synchros out as fast as possible. I'm a big Nautria player and I am already talking about how Konami is going to make Nautrias pretty slow. Great. -----------NoLifeGrimmjow(Judge)
To Shadyman, Infernity Barrier is not restricted because it's a TCG exclusive, while Infernity Launcher, the decks actual ace, is, Also,, Substitoad, the 'ACE' card of frogs, is Forbidden. In addition, to your comment on X-sabers, it's mostly due to the cards that enable them to be exceisive, being TCG only till recently, but now they were overshadowed by LSS's in JP, so they still won't get hit much, As for scraps & naturias, they aren't topping anything, so I doubt they'll get hit much, if at all.-Resk (talk • contribs) 13:37, December 16, 2010 (UTC)
To Resk, You threw out good examples, which i like. But really all i'm saying is that Scraps should be just fine, so we shouldn't be worried about getting on the ban list. Scraps aren't the best on standing their ground until the rhythm actually flows in the graveyard. So it's just as fair as every other deck. -Shadyman_315
I think that Gateway of the six will get hit or something in the six sam deck
Scrap Dragon could see a hit because of it's flexibility in other decks that aren't Scrap decks. If Scrap Dragon does take a hit, limiting Scrap Chimera and Scrapstorm may not be necessary, as there won't be any Scrap Dragon spamming and such. It's like Frog Burn FTK and Infernity, the key was to cripple the one card that fueled the whole deck, basically saying, hitting Infernity Archfiend and Mass Driver, weren't going to solve anything.
--Kageakumo 22:28, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
What's the point in limiting a card that's only used at one anyway? Non-scrap decks don't have a reason to run more than one Scrap Dragon, and as far as I know, they only run one. Hitting Scrap Dragon would only effect scraps, which as mentioned above, they are a solid tier two, who aren't really all that broken.
That's just my two cents anyway.
I used to run a Scrap Deck and I have to admit, even when I had crappy cards that went with them, they were pretty tough, but now I run a good Blackwing Twilight Deck and seriously, I have a hard time AGAINST Scraps now, I have this friend with one hell of a Scrap Deck, the deck is way to defensive and has a nice balance of attack as well, I predict that Scrap Chimera, Scrap Searcher and Scrap Dragon are gonna be semi-limited. But I imagine that Scrap Goblin is gonna be Limited because it offers way too much defense and its destruction effect is a plus in almost any sitch. --Art (talk • contribs) 07:33, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
You as a Blackwing player are suggesting Chimera be hit? That doesn't make much sense. Chimera is just like Blizzard, if not worse, considering blizzard can synch any level 5-6. Chimera is limited to just the Scrap synchros... I don't really see chimera being hit, it's not all that. Sure, it grants you a 'free' dragon, but... it's certainly not the first of its kind. Debris dragon... black salvo... I just don't see chimera being hit.
As for Goblin. I can see how it could be annoying, but... what? If you're attacking it late game you're kind of doing something wrong, and it's just your general stall card, I again don't see this being hit...
I personally believe Scrap Searcher is total junk. It misses its timing enough that I don't really see a reason to run it. I've certainly seen people use it well, but... if you're going off with beasts/goblins, your searcher isn't going to do anything. Just looks like too much of a dead draw to me.
I'm a Scrap player myself and I certainly didn't find room for Searcher. Though a lot of people play Level Eater and I don't personally play that myself.
I honestly find blackwings to be hard to beat. (Again, I play scraps.) Goblin eats Bora's pierce all day long, and icarus attack is just... painful in all situations.Oni Martinez (talk • contribs) 07:40, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
Like I said, I play a Blackwing Twilight; more specifically a Vayusworn, it is pretty tough, but I'm missing a lot of key cards as well, but I just got Necro Gardna and Glow-up Bulb recently so its holding up, as for the Scraps, I certainly think that Goblin is annoying and that its recycle effect hurts sometimes, but only suggesting this from forum discussions, rumors, and speculations, think about it, Scrap is a pretty annoying deck and I just know that Konami is gonna be tempted as hell to mess with it. I'm afraid Judgment Dragon is also in danger of being Limited again, but that is where DAD comes in, good old DAD.--Art (talk • contribs) 12:33, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
If any Scrap Card is going to get limited it should get reprinted for sure. I don't think it' gonna be scrap dragon but main cards of the deck bringing out Scrap Dragon. Scrap Storm is not infernity launcher. It Doesn't bring you 2 monsters on the field and especially an Infernity Archfiend for more potential. Solemn Warning can get malfunction, if you're smart enough to play such a card, but let's be true: No one runs that card! Some people say Mirror Force is slow, or not good. I think you just have to play that card correctly. If you don't have a trap stun or book of moon you might not even attack sometimes thi nking of mirror force. Since it got reprinted and became a common card, it should hit the bannlist. Favourite card I know, but it should get where it deserves. I wanna see a day without staples and a day in which people will be asking how to make or create a deck.
Billiog 1:40, January 11, 2011 (UTC)
I honestly think scrapyard should be hit. Even though it's only scrap tuners, it's still like a RotA at 3 for Scraps.
Except its not. It only gets Scrap Tuners, which are useless by themselves, and cannot get the key pieces, Chimera and Golem. Its not a RoTA. Thats like comparing Machina Gearframe to Elemental Hero Stratos.
In my opinion honest should be moved down to 1 or even banned. honest is such a broken card it is ridiculous, 1900 def with a sweet effect its pretty much a direct attack with your monster AND it desroyes your opponents only defense for another during your turn. i hate playing against honest. tell me what you think at the youtube account abc123georgo98
Royal Oppression, Book of Moon, D.D. Crow and Big Burn. Hell you can even Stardust Dragon their effects if you're desperate. Play smart. Side deck smart. Scrap deck's bad. Have a good day. -Kenja00
Well, there not 'bad', but tier 2 at most atm, might go to 1.5 if they ever get round to bringing out Scrap Orthros & Scrap Breaker in both _CG's at the same time, but still not worth hitting-Resk (talk • contribs) 10:28, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
Why are Blackwings being hit and a lot of others being unscathed?
I dont see why Blackwings should be hit and X-Sabers do not take anything! They are completelty annoying and should have someone in their deck type be hit. I mean at least semi either Bogghart, Emmersblade, or Darksoul. They should have something be hurt a little due to the fact they are very annoying and can swarm pretty well. Also why is Kalut going down to 1? Why is he gonna go to 1 immediately, they should at least make him go to 2, then in the next ban list make go down to 1. Also Honest should be at 1 because him and Kalut are basically the same and Honest works for ALL light monsters, where as Kalut is only for Blackwings. Icarus I can personally see them hitting because it is very fun and effective, especially with making Vayu in the grave. Also GK's could have maybe Necrovalley taken down to 2, because well that just messes everything up, and all of their monsters become pretty effective beaters.
- Konami are on drug lately, so just accept of what they gave. --FredCat 22:50, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
- Necrovalley is practically essential to Gravekeepers, since that's the whole point of playing them. (Well, aside from Spy, since he recruits and stuff) They probably saw fit to hit Royal Tribute instead to at least reduce their ability to destroy the opponent's fighting chances. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 02:55, February 21, 2011 (UTC)
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! STUPID KONAMI (u kno i love yall =] ) ....BUT STUPID KONAMI Y HONEST ....Y KALUT...AND WHAT ARE THEY THINKING BRINGING OVERLOAD FUSION BACK TO TWO....YA KNO WAT IMA MAKE A MACHINE DECK SOOOOOOOOOO BROKEN JUS BECAUSE OF THIS >_< but i love what yall did to gateway ;) red eyes b. ruler (talk • contribs) 04:55, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
- rebr, Cyber Style Decks are a little harder to play due a reduced ability to cleanse the field of potentially threatening S/Ts. Not to mention that 2 Magic Cylinders will be more than happy to turn their large ATK points on them. It's not so easy to set off the Chimeratech OTK reliably. Meanwhile, Honest takes the hit due to the fact that Agent Decks comprising of 3x SD20 are becoming a big thing, and Kalut also takes one due to the fact that its vague wording allows for the player to use them during direct attacks, something Honest can't do. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 02:52, February 21, 2011 (UTC)
U know, X-Sabers arent even that big right now, and Shura/Sirocco is going to 1 cuss its way too easy to use them. like sirocco normal, bora special, thats 3700 iercer right off the bat. and shura specials vayu, effect negated so its a +2. you can also use shura to summon breeze and sync for something other than armor master. but about the banlist
Warning - 2 Scrap Dragon - 2 Scrapyard - 1 Solemn Judgment - 2 I HOPE! Cold Wave - Banned (FINALLY)