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Hi, a few players at my local hobby league run Lightsworn Decks, and i'm losing to each lightsworn player. Any advice or strategies in beating or fighting against lightsworns?
- RFG decks are generally straight counters, but you have to have a strategy outlined around it. Danny Lilithborne 05:55, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
the main deck against them
is basically a macro D.D deck. i lost like every time against, i can never special summon a thing unless i get lucky at times.
From p3p3: Actually I beat them with 1 spirit reaper. (hope he doesn't summon the dog *destroy 1 monster*) Turn 1: I placed a spirit reaper face down a few traps
Turn 2: He uses heavery storm and summons a lightsworn which summons about 3 more and ended up with 5 lightsworns.(preparing a all out attack) he attacks but I'm not distroyed
Turn 2 end: he discards like 15 cards
Turn 3: nothing
Turn 4: nothing
c Turn 4 end: 15 more gone
By turn 6 he decked out lol
but if hed used 2 garoths you wouldve lost!
A few ideas that have crossed my mind:
- Dimensional Stronghold Weapon prevents milling.
- Playing Mill Decks against them can also do more milling than they need, resulting in them Decking Out faster.
--Gadjiltron 05:08, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
dimensional fissure and macro cosmos definitely does it
- Hold on, using "Phantom of Chaos" to remove their Lightsworns from play? You can only remove your own monsters with its effect. --EgyptianGods 19:57, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
- Actually I didn't mention Phantom of Chaos as a counter, but Kycoo so your opponent can't use his effect. Teddy 10:45, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
- Generally Lightsworns are A LOT quicker than Macro decks, and trounce them easily. The best way to beat them is either to build an Anti-Meta deck with things like Thunder King Rai-Oh, Royal Oppression, Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo and the like to prevent Special Summons, or to run a Meta deck and side deck specific counters. D.D. Crow works wonders, and should be in everybody's Side (or Main) Deck. I play a Lightsworn deck myself, and I rarely lose to anything other than Gladiator Beasts, Anti-Meta and other Lightsworns, despite lots of Macro Monarchs in my meta. (No Tele-DAD here) Light-Imprisoning Mirror is good too, but do not side deck too many traps against a Lightsworn player, or you w--Phoenix25 01:55, 27 March 2009 (UTC)ill lose badly to Royal Decree! -- Rainyday2012 18:56, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
- While yes i do run a Lightlord deck, i also run other decks. Remove from Play decks, Mill Decks that make the Lightlord user draw cards &/or mill at the same time, Decks that swarm faster then the Lightlord deck, D.D. Crows and Disappears also hurt Lightlord decks to an extent... you can also throw in Mask of Restricts, Gravity Binds, and i think Stall Decks & some burn decks can cripple/hurt Lightlord Decks... sadly a well built Frogger Deck can kill a Lightlord Deck ~MEOW~ Might of the BIRD Empire~~ 18:53, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Lightsworn isn't that hard to beat. If u side properly that is. I use cards like dimensional stronghold weapon, and light imprisoning mirror and skill drain. Also divine wrath is a great tech, because lightswarns revolve around effects. And it stops them from milling. Also if you play glads like i do, you definaely want to maximize the use of your chariots. Hope this helped!
I beat a couple Lightsworn decks with a beatdown deck. All it takes is the ability to defeat anything and everything they can place down. When they force you to mill your own deck, you kill their cards with the powerful monsters in the beatdown deck, of course, you need to have a back up plan which would be a line of traps for defense. I've found that using a Dragonic Knight against a Lightsworn deck is pretty good due to Lightsworn's abilities to destroy cards through their effects. A Random duelist who still runs a beatdown deck and win with it. Never use a beatdown against Blackwings or Gladiators.
I play glads, spellcasters, and a very random beatdown deck. With my Glads, I generally don't need to side-deck since I run 3 Retiari, but I have 3 Macros in my Side-deck just in case. Spellcasters and my Beatdown require Macro against Lightsworn, although my Beatdown has added help with Oppression included. Really, Light-Imprisoning, Macro, and or Dimension Fortress Weapon, along with a divine wrath (1-3, any number helps), and if you run glads like me, Chariots (as suggested before). You're main focal point against LS will be stopping Honest, Judgment Dragon, and Celestia. --Phoenix25 01:55, 27 March 2009 (UTC) Phoenix25
You know all deck has its weakness and strength. Lightsworns are powerful monsters but they only weak if their owner is also weak in terms of building or constructing their deck. All duelist want their deck to be the best but there is no such thing as that view.
- Kaiser Jaren
- Supreme Leader - Ancient Archaeus Empire
Beatdown with skill drain is really good. Graveyard removal is also good. Don't let JD in or your in major trouble. The sides above are good in tournament decks.
Stall, Stall, Stall
- Stalling your opponent will do wonders. Cards like Krebons, Swords of Revealing Light, and Threatening Roar can prevent your opponent from attacking with their powerful monsters, but keeps them milling. Messengerofthedark 03:00, 6 July 2009 (UTC)Messengerofthedark
3 decks come to mind....
Burn because it'll go through their life points quick, Stall because lightsworns mill themselves so u can keep miling them, or an obvious choice, a deck out so the opponent is being milled from 2 areas, himself and his opponent
If you can play a macro monarch deck and on the first turn, activate a dimensional fissure, they're going to be in for a long day... That is, unless they play imperial iron wall.
Letting them mill out faster will also be good, as luck plays a larger factor in lightsworn decks than in any other deck. I played against one in a small tourney in my area and one guy milled 2 judgment dragons due to jain's effect, simply hilarious.
Speaking of which, there was another guy who also uses a lightsworn deck. And he always had 2 JDs on his first draw. He won the tournament and someone was suspicious enough to check his deck. Turned out he thickened his JD by putting another 2 cards underneath the JD. And he got disqualified.
PS. Anyone tried to use catador on lightsworns?
Hmm, come to think of it, a Seigi no Mikata Deck might be good against Lightsworns... I'm not sure. From the looks of it their material isn't quite good, and seem more aligned against the Worms. --Gadjiltron 03:12, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I used m lightsworn deck against marco cosmos twice in my local and won both first one 2-0 me and second 2-1 me i just put in royal decree and stuff from my deck and instead of me having disadvantage he was having a horrible time with none of his cards being removed i was shocked winning both players so easily
Anything that removes from play would be the best bet. The new common card "Light of Destruction" is very anti-Sworn, so is paralyzing chain, Caius, d.d. warrior lady, d-prison, macro, & d-fissure are also good choices. I don't see many pure Lightsworns anymore. People still play them i guess. Automation44 (talk • contribs) 09:34, August 28, 2010 (UTC)Automation44
Phoenix 25 has clearly played lightsworn, I dont think anyone else has
ok so to all the people who said stall
I dont think so, if they are running 2 Judgement dragons, that thing will be ripping you to shreds at about turn 7 or 8 if its a well built deck. in fact Judgement dragon is usually how Lightsworn win, that celestia and yes, honest.
to all those who said RFP
the reason lightsworn win is cause of strong beatsticks, this removes the threat of JD but the deck will still run over your weak archetype unless you are playin macro monarchs. and they can still side in imperial iron wall, and thats your deck shut down entirely
to all those who said Iron chain
this is possibly the only deck iron chain is good against :p
its all nice saying use this deck, use that deck but this isnt good advice. Phoenix25 gives good advice, he points out its strength and that you have to stop this part etc... I for one wouldnt get a new deck to beat lightsworns, I would want to customise my current deck.
Phoenix25, I agree entirely with you, to beat them (if its well built) you have to shut down the celestias JD's and honests. maybe side by order of the emperors for celestia,save your bottomless' for JD as he wont get to chain his effect and is henceforth removed and errr take honest on the chin like a champ, the card is a bitch but there is only 2 in there, you will just have to deal with it. and if you know hes got it, dont not attack, you need to make your opponent use it at somepoint, better on your beatstick than on the key card to your deck
and yes I know he wasnt the only one to make suggestions like this, but not many people did. dont take offense, or take me seriously...
I have had experience running both Macro Monarchs and Iron Chains, and to be blunt, they're not very effective against Lightsworns. Both have lost to them rather consistently - Macro Monarch had a lot of trouble replacing its main Grave-depleting engine after it got killed off by Lyla or Ryko. Iron Chains are also a tad too slow, despite the great boon they have given to the Milling theme. Sometimes Iron Chains have even helped the Lightsworns mill while they are not actively milling themselves. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 05:15, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
Just use a top tier deck
Lightsworn is only tier 2, so a tier 1 deck should beat them like 7 times out of 10. Try using X-sabers, Gladiator Beasts, Blackwings, Infernities, Salvodad, Quickdraw, Machina or stun. It's really that simple, I haven't lost to a Lightsworn deck in months. Hebi No David (talk • contribs) 22:44, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
Lock down the graveyard
The main reason that Lightsworn decks are so powerful is that they have strong searching power and pour cards into your graveyard to be used as fodder, if you play cards that seal off the graveyard, such as Necrovalley or The End of Anubis, their strength would be greatly diminished. Blackheart1991 (talk • contribs) 23:33, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
Don't forget Judgment Dragon. He's one of the reasons why they make the deck powerful. A remove from play deck would work against him to get rid of the Lightsworns. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 23:47, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
- The Transmigration Prophecy. It hurt so bad...Yugioh DED((Leaving Me Messages Are Often Left Here) 02:34, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
You stupid fucking scumbags Lightsworn is and has always been tier one... Now its muthafuckin tier 0 bitch ass niggas
yoyoyoyoyo, lets all get down with the eubonics ghetto talk, I is clearly black like, and I is fuckin some mutha or summat like that cuz I is a bitch ass nigga!!! we is all niggas here and tings...dis man is talkin shit, tier 0, you is pathetic. tier 2, is them lightsworn things. but den, I is clearly stupid as I fink differently from retardo here...
your logic is phenomenal, all you have convinced everyone here of is that you are a complete and utter retard. not even is your comment lame, but you seem confused as to how the english language works you state it is tier one, then assert that it is "now tier 0" so which is it dumbass? Probably a good job staying anonymous, putting a name to a retard just makes me think that you must have some sort of mental defect and makes it all that bit more real, that in fact there is someone typing out this shit on some keyboard somewhere across the world thinking "I have a funny witty thing to say" and if this is the case I apologise as its not your fault and I am clearly the asshole here. but Im thinking that in fact, you dont have a mental defect and instead are just socially retarded coupled with the inability to construct a sentence withouth using ridiculous phrases that you learned off of some shitty rap song, or cliched tv show or the ability to come up with something at least amusing to say in the space of the 10 seconds that it took to type up your cleverly constructed and oh so witty sentence (and I quote " bitch ass niggas" what the fuck does that even mean. I dont even think people from the bronx speak like that anymore, realising that it sounded ridiculous a decade ago and that in fact it still sounds ridiculous now)...do us all a favour and go suffer a debilitating brain aneurysm, maybe then you will have an excuse for that last comment you reprobate twat (and the gene pool will be better off.)
Wow I guess I have no humor then. I don't laugh at people but I warn them. In fact I don't go at their level by using words that hurt other people. Besides who say bad words when you are just playing a plain children card game? For Pete's sake, it's just a way to entertain yourself. If the game evolved, I'm pretty sure you people should evolve too. And not all black people wouldn't say that much bad words anyways and I only hear that when they get pretty angry but this is San Jose here so what do I know? Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 23:50, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
A : you realise this was aimed at the dude using excessive swearing for no apparent reason and not yourself (at least I had one) B : I never did say black people swore that much...I was being overly sarcastic as he was being retarded and using the word "niggas" like it was nothing, not realising the weight a word like that carries. I stated at the start we should all use eubonics (which if you look up is the word for STEREOTYPICAL slang black american ghetto language, the joke bein how stereotypical he was being, speaking as if he grew up in this kind of area, which even if he did is pretty ridiculous) C : this was never about a childrens card game, it was about some random guy calling everyone here fucking scumbags, making a very low comment that could in fact offend many people here and him getting his "just desserts"...( I only attempted to offend him, noone else) D : if you did take offence to this, you should have read my parts that were in quotations i.e. "bitch ass niggas" and realised it was not about you E : at no point did I say you have no humour Volcanicstriker (talk • contribs) 00:37, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
Well some of this I said was aimed at him. Sorry if you got mistaken. D: I didn't take offense to that and E: I just said that I have no humor for myself only. B: I was aiming at him. A:I was trying to help out somehow. C: Oh....... Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 13:00, October 8, 2010 (UTC)