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so this monster is kinda unstoppable once your opponet gets enough dragons in the graveyard,only thing i can see that would work is magic cylinders, its not desenating the monster just the attack, and i think it can negate mirror force. is there any way of sending it away after it is summoned72.222.240.70 20:13, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

you can't kill it with Fissure, Smashing Ground, or Hammer Shot....because they will all target Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon and if he can negate and destroy any magic/trap/monster effect that targets him...so I see how Mirror Force or Lightning Vortex would work but not the others.

Picasso 81189 18:33, 14 December 2008 (UTC)Steve

ooooooooook.......so how don't they target

They search for the highest attack or highest defense and what not....then they TARGET and destroy it.

At least thats what I have come to believe.


Target

Target is when a card, when the monster(s) it affects is chosen, cannot affect any other monsters. Sakuretsu Armor which targets , when it chooses this monster, should this monster disappear before it affects him, it would become useless. Mirror force doesn't target: Should you activate it on Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon and your opponent chain De-Fusion , returning ultimate dragon to the extra deck and summoning 3 Blue-Eyes White Dragon in ATK position, it wouldn't matter: Mirror Force didn't designate a specific card,It will still destroy any ATK position monster your opponent has,including the 3 blue-eyes in atk position or any card summoned during the chain in atk position.

Picasso 81189 20:26, 14 December 2008 (UTC)Steve

  • wrong, in order for a card for be considered a "target card",
the player activating it must manually choose which card he or
she chooses the effect to be used on. For example, "Shadow Spell" targets
because it has to know which card will those effect be used on. A non-target
card, "Mirror Force", the card will decide for itself what card will
it destroy.

Firesoul1 20:48, 14 December 2008 (UTC)Firesoul1

But if the attacks of the monsters are equal when hammer shot is used then the person needs to designate which monster....and in that case the person TARGETS it....so what about that situation?

  • Generally, targetting effects require you to select a monster at activation. If two monsters have equal attack you choose which one to destroy at resolution, so it still doesn't target. -- Sub 21:06, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Please stop being intentionally daft. Trying to be clever doesn't change the way the rules are. Cards that select the recipient of its effect based on ATK/DEF do not target, period. (Best way to explain that: if you chain to something that changes the ATK/DEF of the monster that would be designated, it would no longer be hit with the effect.) Danny Lilithborne 20:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

card wording

but the card says designate, it does not say target....im confussed 72.222.240.70 16:21, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

It's the same. ATEMVEGETA 18:15, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I believe that there is a reason that the wording is peculiar. Designate would seem to mean that it is against ANY card that designates Blue-Eyes as an affected monster. He can be targeted, negating if controller wants, or he can negate even Fissure if it designates him as the affected monster, which it does. There SHOULD be many Blue-Eyes in tournament play, but there isn't because of his impossible summoning conditions and his dubious effect wording. But it does not say "designates a target", just "designate". There's a reason. It makes him VERY powerful once out. Divine Wrath can take him out, though, a Spell Speed 2 vs. a Spell Speed 3. The cardmakers wanted to promote this for various reasons, and so decided to make this monster truly powerful, but felt lazy of wording it so complicated and just put "designate". Perhaps it may have been a rushes careless mistake to not add in a "target" in the effect wording, but the result is the same: Blue-Eyes Shining is invulnerable to effects. His Monster card zone can almost be considered exempted of the game once out, except for attacks. Reverse Trap does not target, but he would be a designated affected Monster card by the Trap card, so Blue-Eyes can negate it's effect on itself only. The only way to destroy it is with attack. Buster Blader will defeat Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon at ANY instance. But the Blue-Eyes CAN negate any and all effects that designate it as an affected monster, not necessarily as a target. Even though cards like Dark Hole doen't target, they still designate the Dragon as an affected party. So he CAN negate Dark Hole, Fissure, Smashing Ground, and Grand Mole. —This unsigned comment was made by Ricardito1990 (talkcontribs) 02:57, 21 June 2009

Cards like mirror force, and lighting vortex etc, do not spersificly target a monster card they destroy all filled monster spaces not directly targeting the monster itselt but destorying them all to the conditions of the card hense blue eyes shining dragon cannot negat the effect of a card that doesnt spasificly target it, for another example. tyrant Dragon negats the effect of a trap card that targets it and destroys it, so hense mirror force will still destroy it because if you have a full field of monsters nothing is protecting them from the effects of mirror force etc, so this is a Key card for taking out monsters with similer effects, —This unsigned comment was made by 212.32.75.29 (talkcontribs) 12:41, 11 July 2009

heres the real answer

you fools targeting and deignate are the same damn thing things like mirror force and lightning vortex can kil blue eys shining dragon cuase it effects the field not the dragon even if he was the only one on the field why are you making it mor complicated than it is plaind and simple they only cards that can effct blue eys shining are cards that cover the whole field like if cyber jar wasnt band hed be destroyed or red dragon archfiend hed still be destroyed regardless and who cares about speeds jeese you uys make it sound like rocket science its a damn game have fun with it.

whomever was the person that posted the above... wow just wow, the op is/was just covering any and all possible scenarios. Yeah, it's just a game, but come on, ye not need to blow a casket over a simple question~MEOW~ Might of the BIRD Empire~~ 00:09, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

and besides ever thought of a monster w/ the same effect w/ much higher atack points gain like buster blader

To The Guy Who Called Everyone a Fool

I know you may not like Rocket Science... but using grammar that isn't disgusting isn't rocket science either~ Also, don't call everyone fools when in reality there's only one person who's really confused. The targeting thing is just something that needs to be learnt, otherwise we would see Blue Eyes Shining Dragons everywhere.

--Jsupunited 11:46, 2 April 2009 (UTC)-- (Forgot to sign off xP)

  • Very much agreed. If the rules were 100% understandable to everyone, we wouldn't have this forum. Targeting happens to be an especially difficult concept, and if you're not willing to post constructively, don't post. It's silly of the card makers to put "designate" in lieu of "target" for that one card anyway, and it's only natural that such an arbitrary distinction would create confusion. Don't be so quick to criticize your fellow duelists.

~Specter (cow_pi) 17:33, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey guys

hey guys you can also use grand mole to get rid of blue eyes shining dragon since grand moles effect does not target it actvates when it engages in battle so why not just annoy the person by sendin it back to their hand

The Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon should not return to the hand in this case. Neo-Spacian Grand Mole's effect does not target, but the Dragon would be the designated affected monster, so CAN negate that effect. —This unsigned comment was made by Ricardito1990 (talkcontribs) 13:52, 21 June 2009

"Target" and "designate" mean the same thing. It is not a generally accepted form of interpretation (as you called it in your incorrect edit to the Rulings Page), it is a fact. "Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon" will be returned to the hand by "Neo-Spacian Grand Mole". --Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 14:59, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Well it is not a so easy matter to distingish which card targets and which not. You are correct, Fissure, Smashing Ground and Hammer Shot do not target and can destroy Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon, but for example, Sakuretsu Armor destroys and attacking monters, I don't choose the target but I choose the time to activate it, and it is considered to target, so dude, you must know the rulings of this cards by practise. Maybe the first three doesn't target because they affect the entire field. Hurin dueler 02:59, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Here is an idea(?)

Just throwing in my two cents.

the word "designate"...wouldnt that mean anything that would effect it? So if you use THIS type of thinking shining dragon could negate ANY kind of magic/trap/effect that would effect shining. This would make its damn near impossible summoning conditions freaking berable.

Also should we measure the creator's INTENT of what the card should be? Obviously they wanted to release powerful cards that people would want. Dark Magician and the Blue-Eyes families are cannons to the success of the anime, movie, and game. So...what if the creators intended for the card to be "invincible aside from battle". I mean. If you take shining dragon to a tourny what would they say about it? (technically its not banned)

just my two cents :P and i can think of lots of ways to pull out shining dragon EASIER (my personal favorite is summoner of illusions) but still its a thought. -- Kohath Star 1:55 a.m june 25, 2009

That wasn't two cents, Kohath Star, that was a full silver dolla. Really, man, you worded what I had tried to say earlier but in a third of what I wrote. That's EXACTLY what I had tried to say. Since seeing the word "designate" not being paired to a "target" nor "specifically designate", we can't assume it means the same thing. ALL other cards that have the word "designate" in them have it paired with "specifically" or "target" and those that weren't were actually corrected retroactively, like Lord of D. The Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon has no Errata, so the only thing we can take on his effect is take "designates" for its literal meaning, which means in any way affected. If we ASSUME that "designates" means targets, (which it literally does not but for the sake of the card game...) then the dragon can only negate targeting cards. But a simple "designates" means that it can negate ANY card effect that would AFFECT the dragon at all so Grand Mole's effect? Negated. Mirror Force? Negated only portion pertaining to Shining. Buster Blader? Sorry, Shining.

It has been explained repeatedly that "designate" is the same as "target". Konami's OCG hotline, all semi-official OCG sources, Curtis Schultz, posts on the Official UDE Judge List, all high-level judges agree.
There's also "Big Shield Gardna", whose text also uses "designates". He has been ruled,
A face-down "Big Shield Gardna" can only negate a Spell Card that targets 1 face-down monster, so it cannot negate "Riryoku", "Creature Swap" or "Dark Hole", but can negate "Nobleman of Crossout" or "Tribute to the Doomed".
--Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 21:52, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Ricardito, you are wrong, period. Accept it or go away. Danny Lilithborne 03:14, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I dont beleive in that stuff blue eyes shining dragon is invincible no matter what!

  • Then you don't want to believe the truth! ATEMVEGETA (Talk) 17:07, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
  • That would be when i activate Book of Eclipse then Nobleman his Shining Dragon, cause while it's face-down, it ain't got no targeting negate effect xD~MEOW~ Might of the BIRD Empire~~ 17:12, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

About the designate...

ok, look....it says "that designates this card" it doesn't say, "designate this card as a target"...if its the target thing, cards which destroys one monster will be negated but if it just say designate, wether one or entire field, it stays....plus i mean, think about, summoning conditions, abslutely hrd as wat d others say, wouldnt it be unfair if youd summn it n d next turn, boom, lightning vortex or dark hole?? i say it's a rip off... —This unsigned comment was made by 119.92.203.49 (talkcontribs) 10:37, 3 August 2009

Dudes, its effect gives it immunity to spells, traps, and monster effects. the only you can destroy it is by getting more attack points than it. So, the key to beating it is using cards like Soul Release to cut its attack down and then use cards to increase attack power. —This unsigned comment was made by 24.176.228.135 (talkcontribs) 03:19, 18 August 2009

Please read through the whole thread. "Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon" cannot negate effects which do not target it. It can only negate effects which target it.
Also, remember to sign your posts with four tildes ~~~~, since that automatically creates a signature for you.
--Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 03:15, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

guys designate is not the same as targeted i hated reading threw all of thi junk and frankly the only way to destroy it is with battle or by draining its attack and then kill it with battle it can not be designated designted is not the same as targeted i even asked my friend the weird expert of yugioh now i came hee for tips on how to use it not destroy it try runing a deck with dragon master knight morons siting here fighting over a silly thing like this i mean come on its a card game Licoifi Leader of the crimzon signers duelist group

Designate is the same as target. See the rulings for "Big Shield Gardna". --Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 04:33, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
If anyone wants confirmation, in Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's Stardust Accelerator World Championship 2009, the effects of Big Shield Gardna and Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon have text that reads "target" now instead of "designate". --Kaibadragon999 20:16, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

designate is selecting so if shinning is selected by an effect it is negated, it does not matter if it affects other cards. by the way just use buster blader

try to understand

blue-eyes shining dragon is not an invincible card, designate is the same as target , people! see , if i write "Designate" and mark is as an internal link , it sends to the ruling for "Target", so , it's the same , problem solved.

things like Lightining Vortex , Black Rose Dragon , smashing ground, torrential tribute, mirror force, bottomless trap hole , fissure, hammer shot and so do not designate/target , so it can kill the BESD. things like sakuretsu armor,icarus attack,book of moon, shrink,scarp iron scarercrow, raigeki break and so targets , so they can be negated by BESD. also , check the Card Rulings:Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon, instead of saying designate , says target , so , is the same thing. Aguz89 02:10, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Way to stop blue eyes shining dragon

Ok here's my idea. Have light-imprisoning Mirror face down and activate it once he summons his blue eyes (you can have it face up already. Light-imprisoning mirror is a continous trap card. It's effect clearly states that when the effect of a LIGHT atribute activates, negate the effect! So this means once he tries to use blue eyes effect he will be negated by that card! Thanks everyone

Future Fusion

Can FF be used if one of the fusion material monsters is in your hand?

Future Fusion only takes fusion materials from the deck. If not all materials are available in there you can't activate it. -dest- 11:21, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

I am Confuzzled?

Why are people confused over what targets and what doesn't? For anyone confused, I have made a scene below using a card that targets (Trap Hole) and one that doesn't (Fissure).

When using a targeting card

Chain:

Resolve:

When using a non-targeting card

Chain:

Resolve:

The main difference is when the card selects who it will affect. Trap Hole selects the monster(s) that were Summoned. Fissure, however, doesn't decide who will ottome destroyed until when it is resolving. this allows the opponent to have a chance to save their monster by using a card like Call of the Haunted to Special Summon a monster that would be selected instead. (Chaining Call of the Haunted and Special Summoning Skull Servant instead of Icarus Attack in the non-targeting example would save both Harpie's Brother and Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon, even though Skull Servant wasn't on the field at Fissure's activation.) --LordGeovanni 23:08, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

"Bottomless Trap Hole" doesn't target, since *you* don't select which monsters are being destroyed. "Bottomless Trap Hole" automatically selects them for you.
"Trap Hole" does target, since its OCG text specifies that it does.
--Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 23:19, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

I Do not see why Bottomless Trap Hole doesn't target, however I do see you are right. I have substituted Trap Hole in in the example. --LordGeovanni 01:44, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

It's because it just says "... remove from play the monster(s)."
It doesn't say "... that monster."
Or you can check the japanese card, the regular Trap Hole requires you to select something while BTH doesn't. Falzar FZ 06:16, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

one question

so..how can we stop BESD? can we kill it with cards like lightning vortex and mirror force? —This unsigned comment was made by 112.200.98.91 (talkcontribs)

Yes, the one that is not target him, can destroy him. Also other way to stop him by attack him, is to remove all dragons from graveyard and summon your most powerful monster (beside Dragon) and beat him down. --FredCat100 23:25, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Target and designate are two different words and don't mean the same thing. Target means to designate a target or goal speaking in terms as a verb. Designate means to mark or point out; indicate; show; specify. —This unsigned comment was made by 174.129.199.17 (talkcontribs)

Actually, Target and Designate in the game is the same thing. That's why the old cards that say Designate are having it changed to Target when they are errata'd. Falzar FZ 04:05, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
...why can't this thread just die? Seriously, everyone just keeps repeating the same stuff over and over again.
Anyway, see Card Errata:Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon. The newest printing specifically says target, and you have to play by the latest text. --Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 04:09, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

blue eyes shining dragon's card effect

blue eyes shining dragon can't be killed by mirror force, dark hole, etc. because it designates it or cards that target it because the card being designated is also being targeted when the card use to say "designate" but now a days it say's "targeted". That's why blue eyes shining dragon is so difficult to pull out on the field because it's such a powerful card but now a days it's not as powerful as it use too be. Cyber stein helps you pull out this card. -Yugioh Konami Card Corp. 23:51, July 9, 2010

See Card Errata:Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon. The newest printing specifically says target, and you have to play by the latest text. Please read through the thread before posting - people were using those arguments above, and none of them work. --Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 03:50, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

From what I see of the errata, it just changes how you must tribute Ultimate Dragon. I just wish Konami would just come out with this big announce during the september ban list saying whether or not Shining is destroyed as a result of cards that destroy but don't target. Drew-Gi-Oh! (talkcontribs) 18:20, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

I sill don't see how you don't see the line "You can negate the effects of Spells, Traps and Effect Monsters that target this card."... BESD CANNOT Negate Mirror Force, and it CANNOT Negate Smashing Ground. Falzar FZ (talkcontribs) 00:51, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

You guys who say Designate and Target are the same thing need to learn English

if you guys say target and designate are the same thing you guys are complete dumb asses who need to learn English. There is a reason why its two different words, they might be synonyms although they are different. Here is some dictionary meanings for guys who need beter vocabulary, Designate means to choose something for a particular purpose, AKA dark hole chooses all cards on the field so therefore it will not affect blue eyes because it would designate it, same thing with fissure or other cards that somehow designate blue eyes shining Target means means to specifically choose something and only that thing which would mean cards like tribute of the doom is the only card that wont affect blue eyes shining dragon and therefore if target and designate is the same thing It would be meaningless sacrificing blue eyes ultimate. Thus people who play card games with anything written in english need to learn the language so guys who sook about it being able to be beaten by fissure can stop complaining, Blue eyes shining is invulnerable from card effects because anything that chooses it is automatically negated, only way to beat it is to summon a monster with greater attack.—This unsigned comment was made by 58.111.185.190 (talkcontribs) 2011 September 22

  1. Sign your posts
  2. Do not necrobump ever again.
  3. Dark Hole does not Target. Designate is just the old wording, the new wording is You can negate the effects of Spells, Traps and Effect Monsters that target this card.
  4. The basic definition for Targetting is for the player to choose a victim during activation of the card. The player does not manually choose anything for Dark Hole, so Dark Hole does not Target. You should learn how to play the game properly instead of calling other people "dumb asses"; in this case, what goes around, did come around and all insults revert back to you.
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 10:17, September 22, 2011 (UTC)
1) Yugioh is a Japanese game, not English game.
2) Yugioh TCG's cards are written by an English-like language, not by the foolish English.-- (talkcontribs) 13:18, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
Also by those cards you mentioned, IP-Addressed User, are not Target; they just look at the monster with lowest ATK or highest DEF. "Fissure" and "Smashing Ground" are good explain that do NOT target. Though it sound like it was pointing a finger at that monster, but it didn't say "Target" at all. "Designate" and all same word (Designated, Designation, etc.) are actually same meaning as for "Target": it's like a sniper where you have to "target" a cup or person then shoot at that "target". Only different is "Select", which is an older word for "Choose"; which don't mean it is Target as well. Therefore your argument, IP-Addressed User, is complete flawed and failed. Thank you for reading. --FredCat 14:21, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
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