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No longer on List:

Newly Semi-Limited:

Newly Limited:

Newly Forbidden:

Honestly probably the worst banned list for us in the TCG.

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Source confirmed at [1], list edited to reflect only the changes. But... that can't be right... there's no way it can be right, can it? Please don't let it be right... --Gadjiltron (talkcontribs) 01:48, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

It's right, and what the hell just happened? --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 01:52, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
Also, what happens in the OCG? Are you telling me the TCG got a different banlist? --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 01:56, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
"Number 16: Shock Master" to weaken Gadgets, "Pot of Avarice" for Decks that want to shuffle monsters back into Deck (and draw 2 as benefit), "Stratos" banned so "A Hero Lives" and "E Call" can go back to 3, "Ultimate Offering" because Decks that use it spam Xyz, Macro/D-Fissure to avoid completely shutting down Decks that use the Graveyard, and "Constellar Ptolemy M7"/"Evigishki Mind Augus" to kill Gishkill Decks.
@Dark Ace, yes. Tewart said that the banlist would be "announced" at the 20th, which was odd, considering everyone was going to know the banlist from Japan first (which would make Tewart's thing irrelevant). --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 02:03, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
That's great. This format is gonna be just great. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 02:13, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
I am really gonna miss Heavy Storm, Monster Reborn, Shock Master, and especially Pot of Avarice. That was one of my favorite comeback cards… Well, at least Dragon Rulers took a bit of a hit though. NMBRHNTR64 (talkcontribs) 02:16, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
Well, now I can use 2 "Plagues" and "Mezukis", but the rest of the list, wtf? It may be fair to have different lists for the TCG and OCG, but this list... --Missign0 (talkcontribs) 02:28, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
This...is one big meta nuke. Xerdek!! (talkcontribs) 02:30, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
Wait wait...are you telling me the TCG and OCG got different banlists? That can't be...that just can't be. This list is bullsh!t, there's no way this can be real... Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 02:37, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

Well....at least TCG players who bought three copies of Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Rooster can now breathe a sigh of relief. But seriously, WTF is up with this list? Why is it so different from the OCG one?

--Moja619 (talkcontribs) 02:38, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

And, it's only until December 31, too. Xerdek!! (talkcontribs) 02:42, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

Shriek's changed to reflect this too. Both sides of the Pacific will be feeling this. The saving grace is that it's only 2/3rds as long as all the other lists. --Gadjiltron (talkcontribs) 02:48, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

I think we've been had. Some of the changes are... questionable (like Gustkraken not coming off with the inclusion of M7, among many others), but the 1 I don't think I can accept at all is Dewloren to 1. It seems stupid, illogical and that choice alone will keep me skeptical about this list until the date of the switchover. Battlemaniac (talkcontribs) 02:49, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

Here, is the Japanese banlist. WinterNightmare (talkcontribs) 02:50, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

@Gadjiltron, please don't mention Shriek -_-. The Wiki plans to purge them as a source and replace it with ygorganization.com. The reason is that Shriek insist on poor English translations for Japanese card names/texts, and that they never state their sources. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 02:54, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

I honestly hope this is a fake update. This list has so much butthurt I can't even state how many things are wrong with this list. Compuls, Bottomless, Torrential, Soul Drain, and EEV to 1? What the F**k? Heavy Storm banned? No, I'm not playing in a set 5 backrows and end my turn format. If this update isn't fake I'm quitting this game for this format. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 03:05, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
It's real 98, it's real. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 03:13, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
Because "Malevolent Catastrophe" and "Dust Tornado" aren't things, huh? --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 03:17, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
I was just thinking of Catastrophe, and Night Beam is a thing too. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 03:19, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

I am very pleased with this, they hit EVERYTHING, no survivors (about damn time the samurais got knocked down). i imagine most Meta and tourny players are pissed and all, but i like this, staples are being banned left and right, high teir decks having their hearts ripped out, and encouraging (read, forcing) people to implement more varity in cards, instead of throwing in the usual stuff. and encouraging newer deck ideas this game suddenly feels alot more casualDreadKaiser (talkcontribs) 03:22, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

Can an admin fix September 2013 Lists? The OCG section has one error, Number 11 went from Unlimited to Limited. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 03:28, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

Malevolent Catastophe and Dust Tornado are terribad, and night beam can't get rid of face-up backrow. Limiting Compuls, Bth, Torrential, and semi-ing D-Prison won't compensate for banning Heavy Storm. We have 3 Cylinder, 3 Black Horn, 3 Sakuretsu, 3 Forced Back, 2 Mirror Force, and a plethora of other traps, it'll be a set 5 and go format one way or another. 1 EEV makes it harder to counter as well. D-Fissure, Macro Cosmos, and Soul Drain to 1? Well, we might as well limit Imperial Iron Wall, Rivalry of Warlords, Gozen Match, and every other anti-meta troll card while we're at it. This list is so much butthurt...f**k I'm not even going to play under this format, I'm going to Japan lol, their banlist is better. :P Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 03:40, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
Oh and one more thing -- What should we do on the Forum:Reasons why cards are Forbidden/Limited page? Should we make two seperate tables for both lists? Or include them on the same table but with a note? Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 03:44, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
In response to Ninety-eight's first comment, welcome back "Jinzo" and "Royal Decree"! ("Chow Chow Chan" and "Psychic Shockwave" just got much better.) For the 2nd comment, just add a note saying XXX card was Limited, Forbidden, etc. in the OCG or TCG only. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 04:09, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
The only thing I don't like is how the lists are different... Xerdek!! (talkcontribs) 06:16, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

The lists are different due to the fact that the OCGs banlist now changes at every WCQ event they have. Obviously they were to lazy on our side to want to change it, or keep up with the OCG so we got this mess of list. Pretty much means every deck will have to be changed as well as, not to mention the fact that for some reason they completely killed off Macro, seems like someone was just butthurt over it.--The FireFALL (talkcontribs) 06:36, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

Well, splendid. Now almost every online yugioh engine's got to split the banlists via OCG and TCG. What happened to unifying the game worldwide? --Gadjiltron (talkcontribs) 07:08, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

Oh god, Monster Reborn. I'll miss you so much...

Don't really care too much about the other things, though I have no idea why the hell Macro Cosmos/Dimensional Fissure got hit. Tenebrae Candidae (talkcontribs) 08:12, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

I'm disappointed with how they handled mermails. The OCG banlist just made it harder to form rank 7s, but taking away Diva and Dragoons is a huge hit to the deck's explosiveness and toolboxing - they basically made it so rank 7s are all mermails have left. I'm not a fan of trading Stratos for E-Call either. HEROes have search effects coming out their ears already - Stratos's real value was that he was a floater.

The swap between Spirit and Rooster is probably because they still want to make money off Rooster, and the lack of a swap between Magician and Shark is probably because they reduced the number of board wipes instead of increasing them like the OCG list did. I see the limiting of graveyard hate as being part of the boost to zombies and agents, but who knows what they're really thinking. Also... after a format of leaving S/T hate in the sideboard, a Heavy-less and therefore S/T-heavy meta might not be a horrible thing right now. Emmic (talkcontribs) 11:44, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

Not only is this going to be a set 5 and go format with Heavy Storm gone, but with Macro, D-Fissure, and Soul Drain at 1, Dark Worlds will become tier 1 or very close to tier 1 since they're now nigh-on impossible to side against. Same with Zombies, with 2 Plague and 2 Mezuki. I honestly hope they fix this shitty list in January, because I'm not going with it. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 16:55, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
Hmm, let's see Dark World can be dealt with Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror. As for Zombies...Royal Prison anyone? --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 17:04, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
I guess the whole point of this list is to kill off popular cards and make us run trashy, older, less consistent ones. It's still not helping the game if half the cards that are hit in this list don't even need to be hit. If anything it makes it worse. At least it'll only be around for half as long as a usual format is. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 20:14, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

That is mainly the point Ninety. E-Dragons caused a lot of trouble on DN. They were overused and abused a lot. All I see are people who either complain or rage quit. Me myself was annoyed by this as well and I'm glad that action took place into banning the babies. To be completely honest with myself, this format is pretty good. The TCG one on here is pretty new to me. I'm glad that other cards were hit on te OCG. E-Drags will finally drop. Since Sphere is banned Mermails will probably calm down somewhat. Spellbook of Judgement is gotten rid of finally. Was pretty shocked that heavy, Reborn, and both the Solemn cards are now banned. Still there are alternates like MST and Call of the Haunted. Not really into bottomless and device and such so I don't really care about those. Overall, it's obvious that people are going to use Blackwings more often again. Mermails will still be used. Chaos might return. I can safely say Verz along with Lightsworns. Fire Fists won't really be affected I see people run only 1 roaster anyway. But on the bright side I'm happy that the meta is mostly down. Maybe people might start using a variety of archetypes for a change but won't see that happening possibly. The Mystic Sorceress 21:23, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

Do you mean banned or limited? There's a difference. Also, which F&L list are you talking about? The TCG and OCG have different lists. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 22:38, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, Sphere is at 1 on the OCG list and only Judgment got banned for the TCG. I can agree with the hits to E-Drags and Prophecy, as well as Reborn banned, but why ban Heavy Storm and limit a bunch of random traps when there are always alternatives for those traps anyways? I'd never play in a set 5 backrows and end my turn format with Storm gone, and cards like E-Hero Stratos, Card Destruction, Gateway of the Six, Shock Master and Ultimate Offering do not have to be banned at all. Heros haven't done enough competitively to warrant a ban for Stratos, neither have Six Sams for Gateway, Card Destruction with Dark Worlds, or Gadgets in the case of Offering. Most Gadget builds don't even run Offering because it's so inconsistent. Shock Master banned is complete butthurt, it's got 2300 atk, which is low for a rank 4 (especially one that needs 3 materials), and it's really easy to run over. No offense, but this list looks like it was made up by some butthurt player who got trolled by e-drags last night on DN, and not realistically made by Konami. Not even half of this list is realistic, let alone helpful, to the game. All it does is screw over 90% of the top decks and bring 3 or 4 decks back from the dead into undeserving tier 1 spots (I'm specifically talking Blackwings, Hieratics, T.G. Agents, Zombies and Tele-Dad). Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 23:58, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
In my opinion, I think Konami is basically using this format as a test subject. They're seeing what hits make the most sense, and what hits make the game relatively healthy. I think the differences in formats times is part of that as well. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 02:38, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
This is also the first time I've ever seen the TCG and OCG banlists be completely different. They've sometimes hit TCG exclusives or cards that just came into the TCG, but I've never seen the banlists be this different before. The TCG and OCG banlists should never conflict imo. Most of this will probably be reverted in January, except the hits to Mermails, Fire Fists, Rulers, and Prophecy, and a few other cards. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 02:44, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
Well, different banlists don't matter that much in the real world, not until you get to Worlds. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 03:46, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
Do you honestly think that OCG players play the same way that TCG players do? It's a whole other thing out there in Korea and Japan. This is good, as it allows for 2 different metagames to flourish. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 03:52, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
Can I have an example of that? Just curious. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 03:56, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
Umm...yeah Kuriboh, most of the OCG players play the same general cards most TCG players do, the only difference is the OCG gets most of the cards before the TCG does, so the meta in the OCG is pre-TCG meta for say, the next format or later in the same format. For example, Dragon Rulers and Prophecies dominated the OCG in the start of March 2013 while Fire Fists and Mermails dominated the TCG, then when Tachyon came out in the TCG in May, the TCG meta pretty much matched the OCG meta; not exactly but for the most part. As far as I'm concerned they aren't two completely different metas when they have the same cards. And yeah Ace, if this happens at worlds next year, we'll have a problem. The banlists don't have a problem conflicting in tournaments only in their country, but for worlds, they do. They'd better fix this banlist in January to match the OCG's, or vise versa (preferably match the OCG's list since it's somewhat descent), before worlds next year. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 05:20, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

Sooo many hits to bubble beat... and madolche will be amazing under this list. perhaps even banworthy.--SepulchresApprentice (talkcontribs) 00:46, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

If you mean Stratos forbidden, it should have happened quite some time ago. Don't get me wrong, it's a great card, but the only reason E-Call, A Hero Lives, and Malicious were on that list was because they could either grab Stratos or Stratos could grab them. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 13:04, August 24, 2013 (UTC)
Personally I would have liked them to limit "Elemental Hero Absolute Zero" to 1 while they're at it. Don't get me wrong, I like the card, but it is pretty exploitable and extremely easy to play. Doesn't matter how it leaves the field (Dimension hole, Dimensional Matter transporter or using it as a fusion material for another one, etc) the effect will still activate. It's good at just 1 (and possibly 2), but 3 is kind of pushing it. Shardsilver (talkcontribs) 13:22, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

actually, i'm pretty sure konami was really trying to balance the meta with this list, but they ended up killing hero beat decks in general.(trap staples, reborn, stratos, tkro). and Ab Zero was never played at more than 1, except in mermail format.--SepulchresApprentice (talkcontribs) 14:23, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

Here's an article explaining the reasons why cards were Forbidden (note that these are just opinions): http://ygorganization.com/tcglistfaq/
They don't know why "Limiter Removal" was Forbidden, but that's probably because of upcoming Machine support. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 18:00, August 24, 2013 (UTC)
http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/article.asp?ID=3275 - Jason also gives his opinions on why the F&L list is where is it. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 20:08, August 24, 2013 (UTC)
Also, Limiter Removal wasn't hit, tha author of the org. post was wondering why it wasn't hit. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 20:10, August 24, 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, meant "wasn't". --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 20:20, August 24, 2013 (UTC)
This list does make us try out newer cards, which I'm not completely bad with, but the only problem with this list is it hurts too many decks and it brings old ones back, ones that Konami won't make money off of anymore. After some thought my full comments on the TCG list are here:

Banned:

  • Elemental HERO Stratos - I can understand this card helped to kick off the big plays with HEROs, but banning this card wipes the deck out. It doesn't matter if they have 3 E-Call or HERO lives, with no Stratos HEROs are done for.
  • Burner, Dragon Ruler of Sparks - Dragon Rulers have had their fun, and their bratty little kids won't be returning anytime soon.
  • Lightning, Dragon Ruler of Drafts - See Burner.
  • Reactan, Dragon Ruler of Pebbles - See Burner.
  • Stream, Dragon Ruler of Droplets - See Burner.
  • Number 16: Shock Master - This card can be irritating to go up against, but was it banworthy? No. It was fine.
  • Card Destruction - This card did not have to be banned. With Dragon Rulers wiped out and Gishki OTK gone now with 1 Mind Augus and 1 M7, why did this card need to be banned? It was fine at 1.
  • Gateway of the Six - Like HEROs, Six Sams weren't really doing anything competitively, and taking away this card cripples their last chance of being viable on the tournament scene. But then again, truth is, they've been around for quite some time now and they should be given some time to rest. Could return later on though.
  • Heavy Storm - What will we do now with no Storm/Trunade/Wave/Duster? Back to the "set 5, your move", format again...
  • Monster Reborn - No different than Pot of Greed. It's just a sacky, broken topdeck that does nothing but give you undeserved wins. Should stay banned forever.
  • Pot of Avarice - I had feelings this would go because Duplicity was being released, I can understand this.
  • Spellbook of Judgment - Saw this coming from a mile away. And no, it's not ever coming back.
  • Super Rejuvenation - With Rulers gone, there's no need to hit this card, unless Konami is still worried about Hieratics and (some variants of) Exodia OTK decks.
  • Solemn Judgment - Universal negation shouldn't be legal...This is ok.
  • Ultimate Offering - Even less consistent than Gateway. Madolches and Gadgets hardly did anything anyways, even with this card. Could return later on, like Gateway.

Limited:

Semi-Limited:

Unlimited:

Overall, some of the choices of this list seem interesting, but it's definitely not very good...As a whole, after lots of thought, I'm giving this list a 6/10, for three main reasons. 1) Banning Storm and limiting a bunch of random generic traps is downright dumb; we're going to have a "set 5, your move" format no matter what with Storm gone; there are plenty of other generic, good traps out there to set, 2) It's just plain stupid to hit anti-meta cards like T-King, Macro, D-Fissure, and Soul Drain. The meta has to have counters, and with these cards all limited, it'll be nearly impossible to side against certain decks, and 3) this list overkills and/or hits the wrong cards for certain decks (ex. hit Rooster over Spirit and Sphere over Diva; also no need to hit Rejuvenation/Gold Sarc with the babies banned). Although this format could be worth testing in, it definitely needs to be fixed come January. I'm more pleased with the OCG list. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 21:27, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

This list greatly upsets me. My E-HERO deck was already hit hard enough when Future Fusion was banned and now I don't even get Stratos to back me up and no, I don't want 3 Emergency Calls because I only used two in the first place. Also, the game needs staples. Pot of Avarice, Monster Reborn AND Heavy Storm? That's ridiculous. I can understand Monster Reborn, but the other two are lame. Like, Pot of Avarice still makes things up to chance and you have to know when to use Heavy Storm. I mean, if you know your opponent, you might have to use Heavy Storm even if there's only one card face-down. To add to that, my Samurai deck was hit, too, but, then again, Samurais became lame after you could get all the cards you wanted in one Structure Deck. I am not happy with this list at all. I guess I'll either have to not play competitively or I'll have to come up with a new deck idea until we have a new list. --Mcoilisprime (talkcontribs) 04:13, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

Pot of Avarice was only banned because Pot of Duplicity was designed to be a more balanced version of it, which makes sense to me. However, I strongly disagree with Heavy Storm, we need that so we don't have people recklessly setting 5 backrows then ending their turn. I hate those formats, they're too lame and no fun to play in. I guess people will brush the dust off of their old Zombies, Agents, or Blackwings next format, instead of buy new cards, which isn't good for Konami money-wise. The fact Macro, D-Fissure, and Soul Drain were hit doesn't help. That makes it nearly impossible to side for those decks. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 12:56, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

Better to have builds arise from these "trashy" remnants, then to have Konami spoon feed you, as has been the case the last 4 or so years. What possible satisfaction is received from using builds untold millions ALREADY USE in competitions worldwide, and what is the benefit, other than revenue for the creator? New cards will always emerge, (obviously) and, it is not such a negative thing, this list. That is, if you actually enjoy building and not only involve yourself to "win". In spite of the everpresent factor of chance, you must realize, that this IS a strategy game. Competition truly arises when 2 opponents have crafted their builds (or "strategy") in such a way that within each side deck lies the answer to overcome what was (if, at all) lost in the 1st, and the main deck executes EXACTLY what it is suppossed to, nothing more. (chance factored in, of course) Here is an idea. Try to build, focusing on your spell & traps FIRST, and the monsters will follow. In otherwords, make the monsters an afterthought, aside from their relation to key spell & traps within the build, and the variation in builds will gradually shrink. This may seem contrary to traditional methods of the build, but you may find something if you are able, through reduction & trial and error. Build for yourself, and not allow the deck to be built for you. (or not)

N Kram (talkcontribs) 18:55, August 29, 2013 (UTC)N KramN Kram (talkcontribs) 18:55, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

That being said, I am not pleased with The Birdmans limitation.

N Kram (talkcontribs) 18:58, August 29, 2013 (UTC)N KramN Kram (talkcontribs) 18:58, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

Birdman wasn't perfect, but it did some crazy things with Mist Valley Divine Wind, especially when combined with Genex Blastfan. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 00:56, August 30, 2013 (UTC)
Not to mention, there's another FTK/OTK Deck around it involving "Koa'ki Meiru Doom" and "Gallis the Star Beast". --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 01:08, August 30, 2013 (UTC)
The Gallis the Star Beast OTK/FTK isn't very consistent and you'd have to run a monster-heavy deck to pull it off. I think Birdman was mainly limited to stop the Harpie Dancer FTK, which you only needed to open up with two cards (Harpie Dancer and Divine Wind of Mist Valley) to pull off (although the REAL problem with that FTK is Blaze Fenix, the Burning Bombardment Bird). I can agree with parts of this list, but others I just don't get. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 02:43, August 30, 2013 (UTC)
Even though Blaze might be what enables the OTK, Konami's shown that they never like to hit the big monster, and instead like to hit the smaller parts that make it possible. Don't get me wrong, there's an OTK with Blaze in dedicated HERO decks, but it's also inconsistent. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 03:34, August 30, 2013 (UTC)
What I meant was that it is another (yet small) contributing factor to why "Birdman" was Limited. As for "Divine Wind", in a "Harpie Deck", it was alsoentirely possible to set up "Dracossack" and a Rank 4 monster that needed 3 monsters to bring out, all on your starting turn. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 03:43, August 30, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, the Chain Material + E-HERO Electrum OTK with Blaze Fenix is also inconsistent, but I personally would've hit the burner itself and not the cards that make the burner abusive, like how they hit Mass Driver and not Iron Wall or Quillbolt Hedgehog. But then again there aren't many other OTK's with Blaze Fenix as of now, though there might be more in the future. It's possible to do some other loops with Birdman I suppose though, at least Harpie FTK is dead either way. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 06:52, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

If you don't think Blaze Fenix should have been hit, you've missed the point entirely. The Harpie FTK would have be impossible if Fenix is semi'd. Hitting a main deck monster (and Birdman, no less) was the wrong call. Battlemaniac (talkcontribs) 12:25, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

Hitting Birdman over Blaze Fenix is like hitting Quillbolt Hedgehog over Mass Driver. When there's a burn OTK/FTK like that, the logical move is to hit the burner itself and not the cards that make the burner abusive. I mean, it's not like anyone misses Mass Driver, and no one would miss Blaze Fenix if it got banned due to some FTK loop, unless you like FTK's (no one does). Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 14:00, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

"Set 5, your move?"

Straight Flush anyone?

PsychicCommander (talkcontribs) 02:39, September 20, 2013 (UTC)

Lol, but that card requires you to have exactly 5 backrows. Malevolent Catastrophe was mentioned before, but that card requires an attack. Royal Decree gets mst'd unfortunately. They limited some generic backrow but there's plenty more out there that can do just as well to make up for them getting limited. Fiendish Chain and Breakthrough Skill are so trolly this format. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 14:18, September 20, 2013 (UTC)
If they have 4 backrows and activate a spell, couldn't you chain Straight Flush to that spell? That would make it more versatile.
You might even try equipping Big Bang Shot or something similar to an enemy monster to fill their backrow.
PsychicCommander (talkcontribs) 15:35, September 20, 2013 (UTC)
Not so fast. Equip Spell Cards you control always go into your S/T Zone, even when they're being equipped on your opponent's monsters. --Gadjiltron (talkcontribs) 16:00, September 20, 2013 (UTC)
Oops. Sorry, I'm new to the game.
PsychicCommander (talkcontribs) 17:09, September 20, 2013 (UTC)

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