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My Banlist Predictions:

Banned Cards:

  • Adult Dragon Rulers- They just NEVER stop dying.
  • Rekindling- just too OP for pretty much any fire deck. Lavals, Hazy Flames, Fire Fist/ Kings Etc.
  • Evilswarm Exciton Knight- Like really Konami???? Konami must have been smoking something when they made this card. Enough explanation.

Limited:

  • Coach Soldier Wolfbark- One of the main Fire Fist engines which keeps the rank 4 synergy of the deck faster than ever.
  • Brotherhood of the Fire Fist- Rooster- A real nuisance to other decks because its a free search when its special summoned by using a Fire Fist monster's effect and plus it recycles your old Tenki's/ Tensu's for new ones.
  • Number 101: Silent Honor ARK- One Real broken Mofo. 'A creature stealer'
  • Infernity Barrier- A free search from Infernity Archfiend and can also negate any card effect
  • Reckless Greed- Pot of Greed pretty much but just skipping the next two DP's. Just activate two of them in your opponents EP and its a +4 and it doesn't stack as well.
  • Spellbook Magician of Prophecy- The Stratos of Spellbooks
  • Spellbook of Judgment- If Blueboy^^ is hit to one and Secrets hit to 2 hopefully Konami could bring back this card because it would be much harder to search with prophecies. Justice of prophecy and be screwed with Imperial Iron Wall or a Bottomless Trap Hole.

Semi- Limited

  • Infernity Archfiend- A free search for any Archfiend Spell/ Trap
  • Hieratic Seal of Convocation- Free add of any hieratic monster and its not even once per turn.
  • Magician of Faith- This card is pretty much useless now due to the hitting of Monster Reborn and Heavy Storm.
  • Fire Formation- Tenki- Free search for Bujin's/ Fire Fist's/KIngs
  • Spellbook of Secrets- Same with Tenki, the searcher

Unlimited:

  • Magical Stone Excavation- This card has been sitting here for centuries and to be honest i have never seen anyone use this card.

IDK nothing else really to come of the Banned- Semi Limited list

NeitiznoT1 (talkcontribs) 10:54, February 25, 2014 (UTC)
Spellbook of Judgment is broken as hell and it's never coming back. Secrets and Blue Boy are fine where they're at, Prophecies don't need any more hits. I'd prefer to ban Launcher over hit Archfiend, but a semi on him wouldn't be uncalled for. 101 is just a bit annoying like Grand Mole, but banworthy? No way. Excition I'm a little on the fence about, it could happen but I believe he's restricted enough to be ok. Reckless greed is ok where it's at and Hieratics are only topping because of the Rulers. Ban the Rulers and Hieratics are fine again. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 15:17, February 25, 2014 (UTC)

My Predictions

We're halfway through the TCG format, it looks like we've got a good idea what the meta is like now. My personal predictions for what I think Konami will do in April are here:

Banned:

  • Blaster, Redox, Tempest, and Tidal - This deck has been around for long enough, it needs to go now.
  • Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Spirit - The deck has topped quite a bit this format, and since Konami is still promoting Bujins in Primal Origin, I don't think they'll go after Tenki, but rather this or Wolfbark.
  • Royal Tribute - A very slight maybe, but with all the new support Gravekeeper's got in Valiant, it's a possibility.

Limited:

  • Coach Soldier Wolfbark - Again, either this, or Spirit to 0. Fists have had their day.
  • Dark Magician of Chaos - Magician of Faith didn't do much since it came back, DMoC is most likely coming back next.

Semi-Limited:

  • Neo-Spacian Grand Mole - No one runs this card anymore, it's easy to stop, and it uses up your normal summon.
  • Gladiator Beast Bestiari - Gladiator Beasts aren't that good anymore.
  • Magician of Faith - I have yet to see one viable deck run this card. It's not good anymore, and it should get a chance at 2, if not straight to 3.
  • Reinforcement of the Army - Warrior decks haven't done anything in a while, they could use a push.
  • Rekindling - Imma keep saying it until it happens. :P

Unlimited:

  • Burner, Reactan, Lightning, and Stream - If the daddies get banned, the babies will come off the list.
  • Gold Sarcophagus - Never should've been hit. The Rulers were the real problem, and they deserve to die.
  • Sacred Sword of Seven Stars - ^^
  • Magical Stone Excavation - Bad card is bad. Unlimit it already.

These are my thoughts as of now. Any comments? Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 22:41, February 16, 2014 (UTC)

I'd rather have Tenki hit to 2 or 1, and I don't know how much they would want to boost sales of PRIO considering that the first 901 series pack will come out very shortly after that. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 02:55, February 19, 2014 (UTC)
Consider the upcoming Satellaknights. Combo into each other, creates great plusses when they do. RotA will not budge from that position for this very reason, and may even slide into Forbidden. --Gadjiltron (talkcontribs) 03:48, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

Bujin Hirume is one of the main Bujin attractions from PRIO that make me want to sway away from a Tenki hit until the format after this April. Also, Madolches will likely need a hit at some point after Madolche Angelly comes out. Sylvans and Artifacts are also new to come, not sure what to say about them yet. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 10:11, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

I don't Sylvans are a candidate to get hit, I've played the deck with the new stuff in PRIO, and even though the deck is very combo reliant, it takes a bit of set-up and luck, so I don't think they need or deserve a hit. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 03:12, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

dragons of legend??

it comes out like 2 weeks after the list if they are bringing out some really lusted after anime cards, theres a chance it might get pre hit to be safe not to mention it may alter some not too threatening fan fave cards to be extra broken or just a bit too good just a thought i had Chiissu (talkcontribs) 22:48, February 16, 2014 (UTC)


my thoughts on what might come off the ban

Although I aint deep in the metagame, I did a quick look at the current ban list and heres the cards I feel may have a chance of going from 0 to 1


  • CYBER-STEIN (unbanned in japan, negating it means game over, best fusion monsters can only be fusion summoned, fusion arnt played much now, fusion monster it poops out is just gonna die next turn w/o doing jack, people focus too much on it only to hve it cost em the game, might get renamed as of the new cyber cards(if they do it for more than m/t in the upcoming packs)
  • DARK MAGICIAN OF CHAOS (best magics are banned, people would miss the timing a lot, magician of faith isn't doing anything)
  • ELEMENTAL HERO STRATOS (HEROs are dead w/o it)
  • SANGAN (some people still think is shouldn't be banned so imma mention it)
  • SINISTER SERPENT(doesn't deserve to be banned/isn't as good as it seems)
  • TRIBE-INFECTING VIRUS (wouldn't see that much play nowadays(except maybe sidedeck))
  • WITCH OF THE BLACK FOREST (people want sangan back so you never know)
  • THOUSAND-EYES RESTRICT (most monsters nowadays die of card effects so his battle stopping doesn't make much difference. also, with veiler/herald of orange/fiendish/ silldrain ect, his effects arnt as dangerous as it was a decade ago)
  • GOYO GUARDIAN(I keep hearing people say its not as good now, plus xyz swiped by it cant use effects(although you can rank em up)
  • TRISHULA, DRAGON OF THE ICE BARRIER (its unbanned in japan, they want synchroes to come back, its not as OP as many assume)
  • NUMBER 16: SHOCK MASTER (perhaps...)
  • GATEWAY OF THE SIX (its pretty high power, but w/o it 6 sams are lacking)
  • GIANT TRUNADE(if konami decides high backrow isn't good anymore)
  • HEAVY STORM (mayyyyyyybe)
  • METAMORPHOSIS (no one really uses fusions now, and all the best fusions cant be used with it)
  • MONSTER REBORN (with konami being as random as it is, and his going on and off the list, you never know)
  • POT OF AVARICE (guy can dream cant he?)
  • PREMATURE BURIAL (equips are hardly used and wasn't the main reason this was banned in the 1st place brionac?)
  • IMPERIAL ORDER(with so many chainable cards, this doesn't seem as OP as it was when it was banned in ye olde original yugioh days)
  • SOLEMN JUDGMENT Chiissu (talkcontribs) 03:28, February 17, 2014 (UTC)

Chiissu (talkcontribs) 03:31, February 17, 2014 (UTC) edit; I'm not used to wiki forums yet as I hardly use em and it wound up as one long sentence

Click here to see why those cards are banned. --Missign0 (talkcontribs) 03:39, February 18, 2014 (UTC)
I'll just let this express my reaction, Chiissu. What you're essentially doing is calling for Traditional Format. The argument for "dies to removal", or in other cases, "can be negated", is never a justification. --Gadjiltron (talkcontribs) 08:53, February 18, 2014 (UTC)

Gadjiltron, having more ways to counter a card actually does justify it in some cases, it's just that no amount of counters will be able to make certain cards ok. No amount of counters can justify something like Chaos Emperor Dragon or Dark Strike Fighter coming back, but having more counters to cards like Magician of Faith or Tsukuyomi does make them less broken, unlike what was the case a decade ago in Goat Format. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 10:08, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

Um... I didn't say I WANTED them ALL unbanned. I said these were a list of the cards I saw that may have some CHANCE of being unbanned. Chiissu (talkcontribs) 10:38, February 19, 2014 (UTC)
Still an incredibly improbable chance without the interference of an Infinite Improbability Drive. --Gadjiltron (talkcontribs) 12:16, February 19, 2014 (UTC)
Witch of the Black Forest will not be coming back because of Monarchs. She can search all of them. DMoC is staying where it is because Prophecy. They can SS that card and generate a lot of pluses.--BlueEyesWhite91 (talkcontribs) 00:37, March 3, 2014 (UTC)
DMoC would be used, but it doesn't really do anything to make the deck more broken. It will recycle Fate, but Prophecy was already doing that. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 01:16, March 3, 2014 (UTC)

Shazaderp

I only want Goyo, and DMoC back. Plz plz plz plz plz. Make it happen Konami. I miss these cards soooo much. --DysonSlinky (talkcontribs) 04:02, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

My Predictions

Banned

all the big Dragon Rulers: Even with all of them at 1, they are still too good via Hieratic Ruler or Blue-Eyes varients.

Royal Tribute: Gravekeeper's have good support in Legacy of the Valiant, plus it basically deadly in the first turn.

Limited

Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Rooster: Fire Fist are topping alot. Kills the 3.5 axes build.

Infernity Barrier: Negates anything. Easily searched by "Infernity Archfiend". Having 3 of these face-down and a attack position Infernity monster and no cards in your hand is basically an auto win.

Geargiagear: special summons any 2 "Geargiano" monsters straight from your deck with 1 level higher. an instant "Gear Gigant X". Basically a +1 for Geargia.

Abyss-sphere: Mermails are still topping alot. They didn't even got touched on the last list.

Dark Magician of Chaos: Not as good anymore as he used to be.

Sinister Serpent: Too slow for the meta now and days.

Dragon Ravine: If the big Dragon Rulers get banned, this should go to 1 to help Dragunities

Semi-Limited

Fire Formation - Tenki: slows down consistancy in Fire Fist.

Spellbook of Secrets: Same as tenki for Spellbooks

Magician of Faith: Had done nothing in the meta.

Sacred Sword of Seven Stars: If the big Dragon Rulers get banned, this wouldn't really be abused.

Gold Sarcophagus: Same as Sacred Sword.

Neo-Spacian Grand Mole: No one uses this card, or even needs it.

Gorz the Emissary of Darkness: No one really use him anymore.

Gladiator Beast Bestiari: Gladiator Beast aren't topping.

Wall of Revealing Light: Final Countdown decks are dead, and Self-Destruct Button is banned, so theres no real reason to keep it limited anymore.

The Transmigration Prophecy: This card has been limited in a long time, its worth trying to experiment.

Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier: I never really got why this got limited in the September 2013 list

Unlimited

All the baby Dragon Rulers: If the big ones get banned, there will be no reason to keep the babies banned.

Reborn Tengu: Not as good as it used to be.

Magical Stone Excavation: No one uses this card.

Reasoning: No one really uses this card.Guardian Skunk (talkcontribs) 07:03, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

If the big Rulers go, then Gold Sarc and Sword can completely come off the list. Geargiagear is great, but I think Geargiarmor would be a better hit, and maybe Semi Geargiagear if you feel they need that much of a hit. Wall could come off, but Hope of Escape Exodia might not make that possible, if the Head of Exodia gets banned (Konami seems to be in the mood of killing decks that are regarded as degenerate), then it could come to 2. Another card that I think should be unlimited is Advanced Ritual Art. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 14:10, February 20, 2014 (UTC)
The Transmigration Prophecy will not come down from 1 because it loops another copy of itself at more than 1. The Geargia cards (Geargiagear, Geargiarmor and Geargiaccelerator) don't have to be hit, if anything you should limit or ban the Karakuri Synchros (Burei and Bureido), because they're what really cause the OTK's. The fact a pure Karakuri deck won the first YCS of the format proves that the Karakuri synchros themselves are the real problem, the Geargias by themselves are just decent rank 3-4 toolbox cards. I've never seen a pure Geargia deck top. I'd rather ban Infernity Launcher than limit Barrier, but the deck isn't too hard to beat regardless. As for Mermails, they're not topping nearly as much as they could've, Sphere and/or Teus might go to 2 but not 1. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 18:35, February 20, 2014 (UTC)


Moja619' Predictions

So here's my predictions for the April format:

Banned

Dark Hole - I think it's finally time

Tempest, Dragon Ruler of Storms - Hieratic Rulers are one of the top decks right now, and many are saying "ban the big rulers", but i think that banning just the searcher is good enough to finally render any Ruler variant too difficult to build with just 3 rulers


Limited

Fire Formation - Tenki - fire fists and bujins are among the top 5 decks right now, in large part due to this card.

Dark Magician of Chaos - if dark hole gets banned

Sinister Serpent - i still think it's worth experimenting at 1

Dragon Ravine - if at least 1 Big Ruler gets banned

Super Rejuvenation - if at least 1 Big Ruler gets banned


Semi-Limited

Genex Ally Birdman - i still think that it got hit too hard despite being part of the Harpie Dancer OTK

Thunder King Rai-Oh - it's an anti-meta card after all

Mermail Abyssteus - mermails just went 1-2 at the YCS berlin this past weekend, so mermails do need at least one hit

Geargiagear - maybe? Just to keep geargia karakuri decks in check

Gold Sarcophagus - if at least 1 Big Ruler gets banned

Torrential Tribute - if Dark Hole gets banned


Unlimited

Advanced Ritual Art - noone plays this anymore

Magical Stone Excavation - same as above

Lightning, Dragon Ruler of Drafts - if Tempest gets banned

Sacred Sword of Seven Stars - whether they hit Rulers or not, this did not need to be limited


So yeah, there you have it. --Moja619 (talkcontribs) 04:03, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

I'd personally prefer a 3rd Mirror Force and/or D-Prison if they ban Dark Hole, 2 Torrentials might be too much in a format with no Heavy. If Konami decides to hit rulers again, they'll likely ban all of them instead of one. Super Rejuvenation won't come back, it gives too much draw power and it won't help improve the game. If you want to hit Karakuri Geargias, I'd go after the Karakuri synchros because they're what really cause the OTK's, not Geargiagear or the other Geargia cards. DMoC and Faith can both go to 3 if the last staple spell gets banned, and Sinister...I'm still hoping on it's return but Konami will likely leave it banned. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 17:07, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

My Prediction (Updated)

Banned

The adult Dragon Rulers: These are just badly designed cards. Instead of punishing other cards/decks, ban these monsters

Abyss-sphere: Mermails won the YCS Berlin and went 2nd. just like plant synchro in the past, this deck has been topping for a long time, its time to kill them.

Limited

Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Rooster: Fire Fist is the most dominant deck this meta.

Fire Formation - Tenki: Fire Fist and Bujins are topping this format, so this is a good hit.

Mermail Abyssteus: Same as Abyss-sphere.

The Karakuri synchro monsters: Geargia has been good this format, the synchros are the reason why they are good.

Gear Gigant X: another hit for Geargia.

Vanity's Emptiness: This card is somewhat similar to Royal Oppression in the past. also Bujins do need to get hit.

Kaiser Colosseum: another hit for Bujins.

Infernity Barrier: negates almost anything and is searchable.

Dark Magician of Chaos: not as good as it used to be.

Sinister Serpent: Too slow for the meta.

Dragon Ravine: If adult Dragon Rulers get banned, this card doesnt have to be banned.

Semi-Limited

Spellbook Magician of Prophecy: Spellbooks are still good even with their hits in the list.

Spellbook of Secrets: Same as Magician.

Magician of Faith: This card has done nothing in the meta

Neo-Spacian Grand Mole: no one uses this card or even needs it.

Gorz the Emissary of Darkness: no one uses him

Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier: Limiting this card wasnt really necessary.

Unlimited

Gold Sarcophagus: If the adult Dragon Rulers get banned, this card can get off the list.

Sacred Sword of Seven Stars: Same as Gold Sarc.

The baby Dragon Rulers: Same as Gold Sarc.

Reborn Tengu: not gonna be as good anymore.

Reasoning: no one uses this card.

Magical Stone Excavation: no one uses this card.

Deep Sea Diva: If Teus gets limited and Sphere gets banned, this can get off the list.Guardian Skunk (talkcontribs) 05:57, March 1, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think they'd be so harsh on Kaiser/Emptiness and Prophecies don't need to be hit any more than they have already. The others seem realistic. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 23:08, March 3, 2014 (UTC)

Dark Ace SP's Predictions

Banned

  • Exodia the Forbidden One - Even though this is an out-there fringe pick, I honestly think getting rid of the decks considered "degenerate" is a healthy thing for the game. However, I'd also be fine if it was kept limited.
  • Rulers - I don't want to do this, but it might be the best possible thing.
  • Dark Hole - If this is the last card truly that's keeping DMoC from coming back, then lets just get rid of it. However, I believe that Dark Hole and DMoC can co-exist, heck, Magician of Faith and Dark Hole have existed together. Besides, mass-monster destruction isn't as good as it once was, so it may stay limited.

Limited

  • Dark Magician of Chaos - The "Staple Trinity" is pretty much gone, I don't want it back, and DMoC isn't that game-breaking, as long as Dimension Fusion stays banned.
  • Sinister Serpent - This card is interesting, but the fact is that if you're running this for free discard fodder, you probably have other cards that you don't mind chucking away. Sinister is probably really inconsistent, aside from Foolish Burial and Chain, and maybe even a discard from a loaded hand at the end of a turn in Piper, but that's about it.
  • Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier - The OCG has done it, and I can't see that many decks beyond Agents using it.
  • Thousand-Eyes Restrict - How is this better than Number 101: Silent Honor ARK? Only a few select decks are going to run this in the Extra, and even then it will be summoned (by Instant Fusion) only in a few decks like Monarchs or Piper.
  • Dragon Ravine - I'm not a fan of destroying entire decks. I understand why Konami did it, but one Ravine can't hurt right? Especially with 3 MST around.
  • Fire Formation - Tenki - Either limited or semi-limited. Just depends on how much Konami feels like hitting Bujins and Fists.
  • Vanity's Emptiness - This card has become the new Royal Oppression.

Semi

  • Gorz the Emissary of Darkness - I think that Gorz has become less powerful than it once was. It's still really powerful, but the same can be said for something like Trag, which might be even more powerful due to Xyz and Synchro plays using the opponent's monsters.
  • Neo-Spacian Grand Mole - This should come down to two. I don't think that every deck will run this, but some slower decks might.
  • Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier - Has to be at two to avoid Symbol of Heritage, but that's it.
  • Gladiator Beast Bestiari - I'm not a fan of Gyzarus Spam, which 2 Bestiari will lead to, but at the same time, I think GB's need a little bit of love. But I'm not for this card going to three.
  • Magician of Faith - Since she's barely done anything, I think we should semi her.
  • Spellbook of Secrets and Spellbook Magician of Prophecy - I think that Spellbooks need a small slow-down, but Secrets and Magician shouldn't go lower than 2.
  • Rekindling - As a Laval/Flamvell player for almost 2 years, I can safely say that Rekindling is the only card that makes the deck work, but also it's most broken card. As such, I think 2 is a fair number. It allows the deck to function, but at the same time slows the deck down. However, seeing as Konami doesn't seem to be in a crazy mood, I don't think this is likely.

Unlimited

  • Magical Stone Excavation - Sure, Empty Jar may love this, but barely anyone is going to use this.
  • Reasoning - Could work to mill a ton of cards, but no one uses it.
  • Reborn Tengu - This was crazy when Plants were around, but now? Barely anything is going to use this, and 1700 ATK isn't a lot.
  • Summoner Monk - I kinda want to see what this guy will do at 3. He might not leave the two spot, but I don't see he being that crazy except outside of Crane and Utopia.
  • Advanced Ritual Art - So this was at one, went to two, and should now be at 3. Sure Herald might be your only issue, but I don't think this is truly a problem.
  • Sacred Sword of Seven Stars - Without Rulers, this card becomes something like Trade-In.
  • Gold Sarcophagus - Without Rulers, what is this?

Thoughts? --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 23:34, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

I'm don't think they'll ban one of the mascots of the game, while Exodia is a win-condition, I think both it and Final Countdown are fine where they're at. Alternate win-conditions bring a special element to the game, and we don't need to get rid of that, unless it's a "flip me, instantly game over" card, like Last Turn or Self-Destruct Button. I'm also not a fan of Trishula, while it's not easy to summon in every deck, it's still very powerful and it can be looped with De-Synchro in Infernities for pluses. Since Konami is still promoting Bujins with Hirume come primal origin's TCG release after the banlist, I think they'll hit something out of Fire Fists themselves, like limit Wolfbark or even ban Spirit, instead of limit Tenki. A semi might do though. Emptiness doesn't need to be hit, it's easy to get off the field and MST becomes a 2 for 1 against it. I initially thought Dewloren would be fine at 2 earlier on, but I found out there's actually an OTK/FTK with 1 Dewloren + Grandsoil the Elemental Lord + Cannon Soldier, so if anything he'll go to 0 before he comes down from 1. If you hit Secrets and Blue Boy down to 2 in Prophecies, give them Fate back at 3. Lastly, if you ban Dark Hole, unlimit Mirror Force, and I think ROTA should go to 2 as well. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 13:04, March 3, 2014 (UTC)
The "win-condition" hits were just things that Konami probably won't do, but I thought I'd mention it anyway. Fate is really the problem card in Spellbooks, so maybe just leave it at 1 and hit only one of the searchers? --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 19:50, March 3, 2014 (UTC)
Or leave them the way they are right now since they're not too hard to beat anyways. The only problem with 2 or more Fates was you could banish one to use the 2nd, and use Eternity to get the 1st back, and repeat. Now with Fate at 1, they have to rely on Tower to recycle it or use Priestess+Eternity or World. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 23:04, March 3, 2014 (UTC)

LeerRosh Banlist Predictions

I like a lot of these predictions that people have mentioned, but frankly, there isn't a major clear-cut winner between all decks, which is what we all want. SO some of the decks will be touched, but I don't think anything on this banlist is going to kill any deck at all:

Banned:

No change, except maybe Dark Hole.

Considering there isn't a single card except Magician of Faith that is banned in the TCG that the OCG hasn't already banned, I don't see rulers getting banned unless the OCG does, and I doubt they will. I know everyone wants them to, but Konami just doesn't work like everyone wants them to.

Limited:

  • Trishula: Give some power back to synchros.
  • Number 11: Big Eye: They have banned or limited almost every card that changes control of your opponent's monsters. They need to get this one too, as well as anything else that does.

I think I can seriously say that none of these will change the game too much. Its all about balancing.

Semi-limited:

Nothing. The TCG pretty much emptied this list, so I think they will continue to do so.

Unlimited:

I seriously see no need for a semi-limited list anymore. Anything that is too powerful for 3 can pretty much be set to 1. Also Konami usually doesn't hit just released cards unless it is highly broken or was made for the purpose of the anime. The semi-limited list was made for Sangan and Witch of the black forest, to weaken Exodia decks. Now, that purpose just doesn't exist.

LeerRosh (talkcontribs) 04:06, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

The semi-limited list makes sense for things like Tengu or Chain Strike, they're too good at 3 but nearlyv useless at 1. Since Konami is a business, it wouldn't surprise me if they decided to hit Ophion or Blader to promote artifacts in PRIO, but they're both real easy to play around (especially Xyz Encore in case of Ophion), so I don't expect it. Offering will never come back, it's a stupid card and the last thing this game needs is more win-buttons, the TCG has shown they don't like those cards (Gateway, Card Destruction, ect). Advanced Ritual Art and Summoner Monk are both bad cards and can go to 3. Cyber-Stein is too strong, going up against Exterio, Last Warrior, or Cyber-Twin is ridiculous, and big eye doesn't need a limit, his summoning condition was meant to balance him out, if anything ban the dragon rulers so big eye becomes nearly impossible to summon consistently. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 15:43, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

Format release date

The organizers from the upcoming YCS in Mexico said the new format would be announced by March 15th. (P.S. Haven't found a link yet, this is just something I've heard). Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 01:34, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

My predictions, not wants

Hi everyone! I'm sure we all know the format is about to change once again, so here are my predictions. All will be explained next to the card, or in the lower section.

Banned:

Blaster, Tidal, Tempest and Redox: These cards were meant to be used as tech in their respective attributed decks, but seeing as how they are still being used together in the meta, they need to be banned. Besides this, so many cards can make a comeback due to these cards' absence. (count how many cards could come back if these get banned, it's disgusting!)

Number 11 - Big Eye: Since it has been reprinted recently, it may get banned this time. Basically, whichever deck can make rank 7s, is meta. They can't really ban draco, due to mecha phantoms.

Limited:

Rekindling: This is simply a broken card in all fire decks - fists, kings and especially red nova laval. It could even be banned, but Konami may just limit it first to see what happens.

Coach Soldier Wolfbark: Fists are a tier 1 deck this format, and hence will probably get nerfed in some fashion. I think this card, because it has been out for a while, and Konami has made enough money out of it.

Abysssphere: Speaking of Tier 1 decks, Mermails are still dominating as well. It is likely that they will also get nerfed, and nerfing consistency is probably the best option, which will still make the deck viable, but not as powerful first turn.

Dragon Ravine: If rulers get banned, this might be able to come back. Dragunities didn't deserve their main engine to get banned because of rulers.

Sinister Serpent: Konami is bringing old stuff off the banlist lately, this could be the next target. It is good in theory; but its not a tuner or anything, I doubt even mermails would use it (because it is water).

Geargiagear: Geargia variants are also doing a bit well in the meta. Mainly due to this cards' versatility. You can synchro, xyz, or just leave them there for next turn. Hey their effects aren't even negated, and they can still attack, so we can do what we like with them. I think this needs to be nerfed.

Semi-Limited

Gladiator Beast Bestiari: New support in Primal Origin for the Glad Lads. This could come back to 2, to boost PRIO sales.

Reinforcement of the Army: With the Stellaknights coming out soon, this could go to 2 to boost Konami's sales, and also might help other warrior decks, such as Six Sams and Noble Knights, which aren't doing a lot in the meta atm.

Unlimited:

Gold Sarcophagus: Rulers banned, can come back

Sacred sword of seven stars: ^^ ^^

Burner, Stream, Lightning, and Reactan: ^^ ^^

Magical Stone Excavation: No-one runs this anymore

Advanced Ritual Art: ^^ ^^

Reasoning: No idea why this has to be at 2


I think this is it. I haven't hit tenki, because Bujin are still getting more support. In fact, Konami usually doesn't (or shouldn't, if they still want to make money) nerf decks that still have more support being released. This explains a lot of the choices I have predicted. They generally bring down some support cards, for example; lonefire blossom for sylvans, went to 2 last list. This is to encourage duellists to spend their money on a new deck, so Konami can make more money.

Always remember Konami is a business, and their overall aim is to make money. They will only encourage players to build the newest decks. Thanks for reading. Comments?

Lord Shien (talkcontribs) 10:03, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

You don't have to hit big eye if you ban the lv 7 rulers, since he'd be nearly impossible to summon effectively if you kill the rulers. The rest is fine. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 15:46, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

My Banlist Predictions

My Banlist Predictions

BANNED:

● All Dragon Rulers: get these horribly created cards away from this game it's a true disgrace to konami's name that they ever thought these cards were good for the game.

Limited:

•Fire Fist Bear: As a fire fist player myself id hate to see this card leave, but out of the other possibilities this is the most likely. Bear is a super rare in the tins, no more money there for konami, while rooster and wolfbark are secrets so theres still money to be had and bear being a major searcher for tenki slows down the power and consistency of fire fists considerably.

●Abyss Sphere/Mermail Abyssteus: Mermails have been around too long and have stayed up at the top too long, one of these cards needs hit to slow the deck down to where it's playable but not overly dominant over everything besides fire fists and karakuri geargias.

●Dragon Ravine: why kill a deck in the process of hurting dragon rulers? come on give dragunity a chance.

●Dark Magician of Chaos: Magician of Faith has done nothing and honestly neither will this card.

●Karakuri Shogun mdl 00 "Burei": slows down geargia/karakuri decks while also keeping rank 7's out of the picture.

●Karakuri Shogun mdl 00 "Bureido": same as above.


Semi Limited:


●Spellbook of Secrets: just will slightly slow down the deck to make it not top after this ban list.

●Spellbook Magican of Prophecy: same as above.

●Genex Ally Birdman: gives geargia/karakuri a bit more help after the above hits, if you even use it, and honestly harpies have done nothing ever and still probably won't after this ban list.

●Gladiator Beast Bestiari: give em something, sure loop gyzarus but even then they won't be overly dominant.


Unlimitied:

●Magical Stone Excavation: Worthless at 2 still worthless at 3.

●Gold Sarcophagus: if the daddies get banned theres no reason for this at 1.

● the baby rulers if the daddies get banned.

●Sacred Sword of Seven Stars: without the rulers this card becomes a worse trade-in.

Notes: for those of you saying tenki should be limited are a bunch of rude words i'd rather not say. yeah lets limit a card that can be stopped by a mst. i play tenki u chain MST, good game? it should not even be semi-limited especially with artifacts coming out having normally 7+ MST's in their deck. they should make this game balanced not overkill a deck because it had 1 great format.

The MST argument is very weak (MST can stop most of the continuous stuff and traps on the list right now, but you have to have it first). Sure, MST can stop Tenki, but Tenki helps both Bujin and Fist, so Konami might feel more inclined to hit it, also Tenki can be compared to Reinforcement of the Army (which is also at one and searches for quite a bit of stuff in the game). Also, the Artifact thing is kinda random, their entire deck is based on setting themselves and then destroying themselves, so they kinda need those 7+ MSTs to work. Also, the very nature of the list to hit things that are at the top, and even if a deck does well for a single format, it's usually hit in some form. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 16:53, March 10, 2014 (UTC)
BTW, I don't know if Konami is going to leave "MST" at 3 to "Artifact" players use all of it, or return to the list to prevent players to screw their opponent's Pendulum Summons. --Missign0 (talkcontribs) 02:59, March 11, 2014 (UTC)

My Predictions (Last Update)

Banned

Abyss-sphere: Kill the Mermails, they have been topping for too long.

Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon: An all around good card with pluses.

Limited

Fire Formation - Tenki: Hit Fire Fist and Bujins.

Mermail Abyssteus: See Abyss-sphere.

The Karakuri synchro monsters: Geargia needs a hit

Gear Gigant X: Another hit for Geargia.

Infernity Barrier: Hit Infernities.

Rekindling: This card is too good at 3.

Vanity's Emptiness: Almost like Royal Oppression. This is bad for the game.

Kaiser Colosseum: Cards like these are bad for the game, especially when a deck only relies mostly on one monster.

Black Horn of Heaven: I have a feeling that they are gonna hit this card sooner or later to promote Pendulum Summoning. Also it negates inherent special summons free.

Upstart Goblin: I have a feeling they are gonna hit this card.

Reckless Greed: Same as Upstart Goblin.

Cardcar D: Same as Upstart Goblin.

Dark Magician of Chaos: Eh.

Sinister Serpent: Too slow.

Semi-Limited

Spellbook Magician of Prophecy and Spellbook of Secrets: Spellbooks are still topping.

Magician of Faith: She did nothing this format

Neo-Spacian Grand Mole: No one uses him anymore.

Gorz the Emissary of Darkness: Same as Neo-Spacian Grand Mole.

Gladiator Beast Bestiari: I guess to promote Gladiator Beast in Primal Origin.

Deep Sea Diva: Atleast give Mermails something back it they get hit hard.

Unlimited

Reborn Tengu: Not gonna be as popular as it used to be.

Summoner Monk: Eh. not as good anymore, especially with a trap heavy format.

Reasoning: No one uses this.

Magical Stone Excavation: Same as Reasoning.

I have the feeling that Konami is gonna keep the Dragon Rulers the next Format.Guardian Skunk (talkcontribs) 16:51, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

That thing that we thought Konami would never do

Looks like Konami in Japan has started to errata cards on the forbidden list. DSF is now "Once per turn" . . .

This was a somewhat random post for the April 2014 TCG list, but if Konami is willing to do this, then who knows what could come off the list in the future.

--Dark Ace SP (Talk) 13:53, March 12, 2014 (UTC)

If they're doing something like that, they might as well make a replacement of it, like Tradetoad replacing Substitoad. Forcibly changing what the card does is like making an entirely new card altogether. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 14:09, March 12, 2014 (UTC)
That's extremely true, but this might be a better marketing move for older players. This move will also, presumably, help the make the F&L list shorter. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 14:25, March 12, 2014 (UTC)
Apparently, Konami isn't waiting here in the TCG. Compare Konami's Card Database Catapult Turtle with the most recent one we have here on wiki Catapult Turtle. I think that once the newest version of DSF is released in Japan, the card database version will also change here in the TCG. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 03:34, March 13, 2014 (UTC)
A once per turn restriction would save a lot of cards on the forbidden list, but like I said, that's literally changing the design of the card itself. I've never seen Konami go that far, and it could also cause a lot of problems in tournaments with people who don't have or know about the errata'd version, or in other words cause ex-post facto issues with people who are unfamiliar with a former FTK card like Substitoad or Mind Master (which would again be fine if they said once per turn as well). Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 04:31, March 13, 2014 (UTC)

Release?

When will we find out what the list says on Konami's website? Thirteenth Chimera!! (talkcontribs) 05:24, March 13, 2014 (UTC)

I suspect that the list will be updated this weekend, as they usually do an update about halfway into the month before a release date. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 13:55, March 13, 2014 (UTC)
It will be released on the official website around 6pm PST. Kyamaki Shion (talkcontribs) 15:18, March 13, 2014 (UTC)
You mean today? Or Saturday/Sunday? --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 15:34, March 13, 2014 (UTC)
I think someone on DN posted that the date was today. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 16:15, March 13, 2014 (UTC)
LOL I knew I forgot something it's the 14th of March at 6pm. Kyamaki Shion (talkcontribs) 16:55, March 13, 2014 (UTC)
nvm, was made aware it was fake after posting, then wiki server stuff happened. Sorry guys. Photonkrios99 (talkcontribs) 18:20, March 13, 2014 (UTC)
Found a fake leak here, I know it's not the real list, can tell immediately from banning just tidal while leaving the other rulers alive. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 19:54, March 13, 2014 (UTC)
I knew from the messed-up URL. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 20:30, March 13, 2014 (UTC)
The organizers from the upcoming YCS in Mexico mentioned it would be announced by the 15th, as I said above, but I heard that from a rumor going around on Pojo, the list could also be announced later today or tomorrow. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 21:13, March 13, 2014 (UTC)
Heard the same, hoping it comes out later today. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 21:37, March 13, 2014 (UTC)

Harpie's Hysteric Sign Exploit

From my understanding, this Spell Card has two effects, and only one of them can be activated and only once that turn. First is it lets players get Elegant Egotist from deck to hand. Second effect happens on the End Phase it is sent to the GY that lets players get 3 Harpie cards. Here's what he did:

During my BP, he activated Magical Hats, selecting two non-monster cards, including Hysteric Sign, to protect his Gagaga Cowboy. When I attacked one of his Set cards with the only monster I had that could attack, it was neither Cowboy or Hysteric Sign. But here's the trick: "The 2 cards chosen from your Deck are treated as Normal Monsters (ATK 0/DEF 0) and are destroyed at the end of the Battle Phase." It didn't matter which one I attacked, Hysteric Sign still gets its End Phase effect after it is destroyed by Magical Hats effect at the end of that Battle Phase, allowing the owner to get Hunting Ground, Dancer, and Channeler, and be able to abuse those three cards on his next turn.

Another exploit: When Hunting Ground is active, and a Harpie is summoned, if the opponent doesn't have S/T, the owner can just target an active Hysteric Sign and get its End Phase effect that way.

These exploits are why in my opinion Hysteric Sign should be not be Unlimited.

On a side note: Elegant Egotist just says "If "Harpie Lady" is on the field: Special Summon 1 "Harpie Lady" or "Harpie Lady Sisters" from your hand or Deck." It doesn't say if "Harpie Lady" has to be face-up, or if you can still use it when it is face-down. This could be another exploit to the Harpie deck if say a face-up Harpie Lady was fliped to face-down Defense position by Book of Moon, and both players now know that it is a Harpie Lady, and it is on the field, so could "EE" still work? Or would it not work because Dancer and Channeler's effect say that they are Harpie Ladies while on the field, but usually don't effects count if they are face-up only?

Someone needs to investigate loopholes and exploits in Harpie decks before they become overpowered.

EvErLoyaLEagLE (talk) 18:32, March 13, 2014 (UTC)

It's already implied that Harpie Lady must be on the field. If Harpie Lady is not on the field, the card cannot be activated. It's just like Triangle Ecstacy Spark. Summmoned Skull doesn't say you have to tribute a monster to Normal Summon him the regular way but --MasterMarik (talkcontribs) 18:37, March 13, 2014 (UTC)you have to do it anyway.

MY LIST

     Forbidden:

Rekindling - To broken in a lot of decks and its time to get hit Evilswarm Exciton Knight - Konami why is this a card?

     Limited:

Fire formation tenki - became to versatile, to many decks abuse the card. Spellbook of Secrets - Too broken, searches everything and makes all the plays Number 101 - To broken as a generic 4 and uses almost no skill Lavalval chain - Infernity abuse the card and is good in to many decks for being a generic Hysteric Party - Even tho I run harpies I see how broken the card is. Hieratic Atum or w.e - instead of hurting the rest of hieratics just limit this card.

     Semi-Limited:

Solar recharge - JD is good but a lot of decks don't need it but this is should go to 2 Legendary Six Sam Shi en - Six sam is still played by starters and it doesn't make the deck as op as gateway at one. Blackwing Gale - The deck needs the push cause of shit synchs so here it is. Thunder King Rai oh - Really good card and most decks add so make it at 2 Geargia Gear - the deck needs to be hit somehow so sure Torrential tribute - only if dark hole gets banned Compulsory evacuation device - really good but not ran right now by a lot so make it at 2

     Unlimited: 

Not much for this Soul Drain - Good side deck card that need to be hit Mirror Force - A lot of people use it at 1 some at 2 but still not a big deal Summoner Monk - needs to be at 3, still wont do that well Gold Sarc - With rulers at 1 and if atum gets hit this wont really be a problem

That's all for this cant wait to see the banlist, hope its something like this

                                                          (KJJS)

List will probably be out next week

Org Link. Anyway, last time, the list was released almost a week before the holidays, so that's why it was updated on Dec. 13, 2013. However, for this Spring list, there is no such holiday, so the list will probably be out sometime next week. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 01:45, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

Or...since December 13 was the 2nd Friday of December and tomorrow is the 2nd Friday of March...it could (hopefully) be announced by tomorrow. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 01:55, March 14, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, and I would love for it to be tomorrow. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 02:21, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

The list cannot be posted until V-Jump posts theirs. That is the only reason Konami has yet to release it, they have to wait for V-Jump because they have the exclusive rights to post it first. LeerRosh (talkcontribs) 15:20, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

V-Jump is only for Japan. Last time I checked, this list was for TCG, as in English-speaking, countries. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 17:43, March 14, 2014 (UTC)
The list will come out after the OCG gets their V-Jump: http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=1177469 Thirteenth Chimera!! (talkcontribs) 03:20, March 17, 2014 (UTC)

The List

Forbidden

Limited

Semi-Limited

Unlimited

Here's the link. --Missign0 (talkcontribs) 06:47, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

That's for the OCG! We're waiting for the TCG. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 14:51, March 16, 2014 (UTC)
Well, it's a banlist during april, so... Yeah, my mistake :). --Missign0 (talkcontribs) 02:53, March 17, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, caught me by surprise too. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 03:13, March 17, 2014 (UTC)
I decided to change the name of the page to exclude the (TCG), since the TCG and the OCG both have their banlist in April. Anyways, my comments on the new OCG list are here:

Banned:

  • Wind-Up Hunter - This was a bad move. Hunter doesn't deserve to be banned to bring Zenmaity back, Zenmaity is the true culprit of the loops and OTK's with the deck, this card does nothing bad by itself.
  • Ultimate Offering - Looks like the OCG is coming towards the TCG on killing the win-buttons, they're still missing a few like Gateway of the Six and Reborn, but this is a step in the right direction.

Limited

Semi-Limited

Unlimited

That's my comments on the OCG's April format. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 20:52, March 17, 2014 (UTC)

On a side note, did anyone know the 2 lists would be updated at the same time for April? And does this mean synchronous updates in the banlist every 3 months? --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 14:53, March 16, 2014 (UTC)
The OCG keeps getting stranger and stranger. Hunter doesn't deserve to get banned to bring Zenmaity back, Zenmaity was the problem with the deck, and it causes loops and big plays regardless of hand-looping with Hunter. Dad at 2, I'm not a fan of that either, and triple Torrential Tribute means it'll be nearly impossible to summon a monster without it getting blown up. But with Heavy legal over there, I guess it's a war between setting a bunch and passing, or activating Heavy and swarming/OTK'ing. I guess I'll stick with TCG... Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 20:09, March 16, 2014 (UTC)
I don't see that big of an issue with DAD. DAD is great, but not as game-breaking as it used to be. I think 2 DAD could work, it should never go to 3, as that will create a problem, but 2 DAD isn't that bad. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 23:29, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

My Predictions

Banned

-Dark Hole - Many people have said that it's time that this card be banned, and I'm inclined to agree that it will in the TCG. I don't see any other card actually worthy of being banned, but I do think that they'll ban something. The only other route I see them taking would be to do what the OCG did with Wind-Up Hunter and Zenmaity.

Limited

-Elemental HERO Stratos - The card is broken, the card is not. There is much dispute as to whether or not this card will come back, but what we do know is that HERO's are getting a structure deck in the OCG. I'm very iffy on this card, but if that new HERO Structure Deck is released in the TCG, I would definitely bet on this horse.

-Karakuri Shogun MDL 00 "Burei" and Karakuri Steel Shogun MDL 00X "Bureido" - These two cards just scream OTK and advantage.

-Mermail Abyssteus - This card helps facilitate the Mermails unlike any other "boss Monster" in the deck. Super easy to summon, searches out other Mermails, rank 7 spam, this card is the embodiment of everything Mermails are about and then some.

-Dragon's Ravine - Testing this card at 1 is worthwhile to give Dragunity a boost.

-Abyss-Sphere - This is the definitive trap for Mermails literally allowing them to absorb attacks and then go plus for literally no downside. This card instantly searches out one monster which in turn searches out the entire deck. Putting this to one would still give Mermails defense without consistently getting the incredible and powerful searches linde provides.

-Hieratic Seal From the Ashes - Hey guys! How about deck thinning and the ability to make Dragon Rulers for free? In Hieratic Rulers, this card is the go to card to make the cost of the DRulers nill.

Semi-limited

-Coach Soldier Wolfbark - A one card Xyz that can grant access to boss monsters every... freaking... turn...

-Dark Armed Dragon - Konami is still supporting Ghostricks, so this is one of the greatest boosts they can get. Unless Konami decides to semi-limit or unlimit Book of Moon, I can't see any cards on the banlist that could really help out the deck.

-Gladiator Beast Bestiari - Aside from the fact that people have been saying that this card should come back to two, Konami is still supporting Gladiator Beasts in Primal Origin. This card coming back to two would be some of the greatest support for the deck.

-Gorz, the Emissary of Darkness and Magician of Faith- It's time, guys... These cards did nothing last format and Gorz has done nothing for a little while now.

-Fire Formation - Tenki - This card is fantastic. Honestly, if it wasn't for the fact that Konami was supporting Fire Fists last format, this card would have never returned to 3. I think that after this format, this is gonna be one of those cards that stays at 2 for the longest time.

-The Grand Spellbook Tower and Spellbook of Secrets - These cards make Prophecy too consistent. We've seen that searchers often get hit in the past and these cards will likely be the same. Tower is a recycler and additional draw every turn while Secrets is a searcher.

-Hieratic Seal of Convocation - This card was hit before, and if Konami wants to get rid of Hieratic Rulers, this and Ashes are the cards that need to be hit.

-Reinforcement of the Army - Warriors have done nothing in the past few formats. Elemental HERO's are getting a boost soon and this card would be the perfect compliment as well as also boosting Noble Knights.

-Torrential Tribute - Only if Dark Hole gets banned, and even then I'm still hesitant on this.

Newly Unlimited

-Dark Strike Fighter - With the errata, this card is no longer broken. Provided that the Errata comes out in the TCG, this card is guaranteed to go to 3 and also if this card goes to 3, it's a guarantee that the TCG is getting an Errata.

-Reborn Tengu - Sooo... Rank 4 spam? The only meta deck that really could use this would be Monarchs, and even then there are better options. This card is no longer broken.

-Gold Sarcophagus - With the DRulers at 1, this card is easily balanced enough to get off the list.

-Reasoning - Players have been saying to bring this card back for YEARS. Now is the time. Konami has released Sylvans, and this card would work fairly well in Sylvans. If they really want to boost Sylvans, then here you go Konami.

-Sacred Sword of Seven Stars - The only reason this card was on the list was because the DRulers could search out other copies of themselves. With the DRulers at 1, this card can easily come back to 3.

TheOtherWhiteNerd2 (talkcontribs) 12:15, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

TheOtherWhiteNerd2 (talkcontribs) 22:19, March 17, 2014 (UTC)

Or we could just ban Rulers and let Hieratics go until Dragonprincess Saphira comes out. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 22:41, March 17, 2014 (UTC)
The solution to Hieratic Rulers is to ban the 4 Dragon Rulers. Nothing more, and nothing less. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 00:40, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
Is everyone really so scared of the Dragon Rulers? The deck is dead, people. At one time, Hieratics were considered powerful enough to be hit even before the DRulers. The DRulers are completely fine as is. Right now, they fulfill the role of elemental support. You cannot blame the cards for players choosing to play Hieratic/Lightsworn Rulers. No archetype deserves to be banned completely, none. DRulers are no exception. The other decktypes, Hieratics and Lightsworns, are what need to be hit.

TheOtherWhiteNerd2 (talkcontribs) 01:16, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

The thing is though, DRulers have shown time and time again that if you give them even an inch of leeway, they will take a mile. You shouldn't have to ban everything around it just to let the actual problem continue to be a problem, otherwise perfectly good cards would have to get banned just so everyone could use Chaos Emperor Dragon. - User:PhantomSynchron 02:28, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
The thing it though, DRulers are not currently a problem. Hieratic Rulers hasn't done anything since the beginning of the format, at least not anything more than the original Hieratics did. This format is the first format that the DRulers are fair and balanced. The main reason they were broken is their interaction with their copies. Now however, there can be no interaction with copies. Now, once you banish one it's gone for good.

TheOtherWhiteNerd2 (talkcontribs) 02:54, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

Dragon Rulers never have been fair or balanced cards and they never will be, regardless of what number they're at. And they don't have a "right" to exist, they're pieces of cardboard for god's sake. They don't have "feelings" or "emotions". They've already dragged at least 7 or 8 innocent cards onto the banlist just to keep themselves alive and they make decks that shouldn't be and never were good, exceptionally good. Wanting Lightsworns, Hieratics and other decks to be hit in place of the Dragon Rulers is like banning Naturia Exterio, The Last Warrior from Another Planet, Cyber Twin Dragon, and god knows how many other fusion monsters just to keep Metamorphosis legal. You'll never stop hitting innocent cards to keep the dragon rulers alive. Stop trying to dodge the real problem and kill the real problem itself. I've been ranting long enough about this earlier on, but I'll just make this short and I hope this'll be educational:

TheOtherWhiteNerd2, prove to me that the dragon rulers are balanced, healthy gameplay, otherwise they should go. I don't care about their playability or relevance, if they're ruining the game and dragging innocent cards onto the banlist that have no reason to be hit, f**k them. Ban them all. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 03:19, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough. You don't think that's balanced, well that's fine... Until you realize that they are at 1. Do you know how consistent the deck is? I've played it and lost just as many times as I have one. The DRulers do not automatically make Hieratics and Lightsworns "Tier 0", "broken", and heaven knows what else. There is a way to counter, not just them, but the very decks they exist in. They are as balanced as Fire Fists, Bujins, Inzektors, etc. Tiers mean nothing as to how balanced a deck is; the Tiers show how much the deck was played in the competitive scene. I'll agree that there are many cards on the list that don't need to be, but the time of DRulers is over and done with. They are being played simply because of the legacy they HAD, not currently have.

Furthermore, ruining the game? How are they ruining the game? This format has been one of the most diverse formats in yugioh. This format has been hailed as the best format yugioh has had in YEARS. Now you might not agree, but that's only your opinion. Frankly, the fact is that it's going up against the opinion of the masses. If they've ruined this format for you, I'm sorry, but they were no problem to me this format and many would agree with me.

TheOtherWhiteNerd2 (talkcontribs) 03:32, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

I do not care about consistency or relevancy, that doesn't change how broken those dragons are. Would you have defended Gateway of the Six, Ultimate Offering, or other cards like that just because they were inconsistent at 1? That's ridiculous. The health of the game is what matters, not what decks merely top the most. Less consistent doesn't make them any less stupid than they already were by their design.

Furthermore, counters do not always justify cards. So what if they can be countered? I bet lots of people tried to counter them before but even with those counters they still managed to win because they can play around those counters so easily.

And yes, the Dragon Rulers do make Hieratics, Lightsworns, and any other deck that uses the rulers viable competitively. Ask literally any Hieratic player, they will say that the Dragon Rulers are the only reason they're even doing anything competitive at all. Know why? Because they gave them what they never had before, recovery and staying power, so they're no longer the glass cannon OTK deck they used to be, but rather a powerful control deck that plans to out-resource you to win. You suggested they should hit Hieratic Seal of the Ashes and Convocation for christ's sake. What business do those cards have being on the banlist at all? Why can't you just ban the four dragon rulers and free the innocent cards Gold Sarcophagus, Sacred Sword of Seven Stars, Debris Dragon, Dragon Ravine, and Burner/Reactan/Lightning/Stream? Again, I don't care whether or not the dragon ruler deck isn't as competitive as it once was, or if it's unplayable with the dads banned, they're bad for the game no matter what number they're at and they deserve to go to 0. They've killed enough innocent cards, hell they've even killed an innocent deck (Dragunity) just to stay alive, I've had enough of it, and I won't tolerate it any further. I've said this before, and I'll say it again: Rekindling to 0, relevance be damned. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 03:58, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

So you're arguing that they play around counters easily? News flash, they don't anymore! D.D. Crow, Macro Cosmos/Dimensional Fissure, D. Prison, Bottomless. Once their gone, there's no getting them back. In this circumstance, that's the perfect argument for them being balanced. And I never said that they didn't make the deck viable comptetively, but that they didn't make the deck god-tier broken. Consistency doesn't change hos broken a card is, true. But these cards weren't broken because of their consistency. They were broken because of their interactions with themselves. When you banned one DRuler, you automatically went for one of the other copies of that card. Now, what can you search out? The only really competitive card they can search out is Debris Dragon, and only Tempest can do that.

I started playing Hieratic Rulers this format, and you know what? The deck wasn't broken. Go figure, right? You say we need to ban them "for the health of the game", but the game is healthier right now then it has been for years, almost everyone can agree on that.

And explain to me what you mean by "innocent card". Macro Cosmos and D. Fissure were innocent until Macro Rabbit, right? What had they done to the game for the years before those cards were released? Close to nothing. However, Macro Rabbit finally showed they needed to be hit. Yata-garasu had done nothing until somebody decided to run CED - Envoy, Yata, and Sangan all in the same deck. But then the players realized that Yata was broken. As for those cards, the majority of those (Swords, Gold Sarc, Debris) can all exist at 2 in the current format. Swords and Sarc can likely exist at 3 right now. Dragon Ravine could come back to 1, and the babies would essentially still be banned if the daddies got banned. You say free the "innocent" cards. Well, guess what? They can be freed right now.

The reason the DRulers were broken was solely because of the fact that they could get another copy of themselves when they were banished. If they had never had that effect, the cards would have no reason to be hit at all. Don't tell me "their big beaters, who can return, Rank 7 spam," etc. Other cards in the game do all of that.

TheOtherWhiteNerd2 (talkcontribs) 12:22, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

There are still many ways to get them back if they get banished, the deck can still use cards like Burial from a Different Dimension, Miracle Dig, or Different Dimension Reincarnation to get them back if they get banished. Again, I don't care if the deck isn't god-tier broken with the daddies at 1, limiting it isn't getting rid of the problem, it's temporarily patching it up. However, the fact is, the problem still remains there and it will inevitably come back to bite you in the a$$ again, just like Return from the Different Dimension did when it was limited back in May 2008, and was ignored ever since until Rulers came along.
What I meant by "innocent cards" was the cards that were only hit because of Dragon Rulers and are completely fine without them. Sword can exist at 3 with no problems, if Trade-In and Consonance are at 3 and don't have a once per turn on them, there's no excuse for sword to be on the list at all. Gold Sarc is a slow searcher that helps slow decks and it can be at 3 without any problems either once the rulers go. Debris can go to 2-3 too, it's not that powerful aside from dropping a black rose on your face once. Ravine and the babies can also come back if the daddies get banned, especially Ravine, killing a balanced deck like dragunities to keep a degenerate one like Rulers alive makes no sense at all. Macro, Fissure, and Soul Drain weren't innocent cards, most decks today like to use the graveyard and it would be too hard to get rid of all 9 of them (if they were all untouched) in a format where Heavy is banned and will stay banned.
And to correct your last point, the reason the D-Rulers are broken and will always be broken is because they aren't pure attribute support, regardless of what number they're at. They can also summon themselves by banishing dragons from the hand or grave as well as their own attributes. That's their fatal flaw, not their searching effect, you even said this yourself, they're broken because of their interaction with one another. They shouldn't have even been able to interact with one another from the moment they were first designed. If they didn't have the "or dragon" in their summoning text, they would be perfectly fine at 3 since they would have absolutely no synergy with each other and would solely support their own attribute-based decks. But they don't, and there's no point in hitting cards like Convocation or Seal of the Ashes (which you suggested) just to keep the rulers alive when they shouldn't be. They've already dragged 8 other cards down with them, the last thing to do is drag more down to keep them alive. It's an ineffective banlist and you'll never stop hitting cards if you do things that way. Furthermore, what other cards are recurring level 7 beaters or give you access to Dracossacks or Big Eyes off of grave setup? The only other deck that can even drop rank 7's with a degree of consistency is Mermails, and they 1) can't self-revive themselves (Teus and Megalo only from hand, Gunde is their only grave revival, Tidal aside), and 2) need another hit anyways (probably sphere to 1). Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 20:11, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
i would so love to go on a rant on how broken they are....but you went and covered every point i had. that "Dead" deck is still winning, with them all limited and thier babies aborted. Im rather amazed that someone has the gall to defend it. this cash cow is dried up, konami is just gonna butcher it and start marketing the new stuff now.DreadKaiser (talkcontribs) 21:25, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
At least the new PRIO stuff isn't so broken it's impossible to beat, unlike Tachyon last year was. Artifacts, Sylvans, Bujins, and Madolches can be annoying with their new support but they're not impossible to play around. I think D.D. Crow could be a good counter card next format, since lots of decks will need that grave to get going, Maxx C could see an increase in use too, as with Light-Imprisoning Mirror. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 21:42, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

TheOtherWhiteNerd2 (talkcontribs) 01:10, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

Confirmed...?

Source: [1]

Forbidden

Limited

Semi

Unlimited

Why has it been lately that every Deck I try to build to sucker-punch the competitive ones at a significantly lower cost gets gibbed by the next banlist on this side? At the very least they've clamped down on the infamous 3x I-Barrier lock. --Gadjiltron (talkcontribs) 01:21, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Yes Gadjiltron, it is, unfortunately...[2]. What a stupid list. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 01:26, March 20, 2014 (UTC)
So, TCG-side, nearly every alt-wincon has been extinguished, resulting in more straight-up battles and throwing of bosses around and making it a far more egregious example of "I win because I've invested more into my Deck" than any other card game. I don't think it's just the cards entering the banlist that are degenerate. --Gadjiltron (talkcontribs) 01:33, March 20, 2014 (UTC)
The only thing that really interests me here is Primal Seed to three. However, Konami certainly made some moves I would have never dreamed of making :/

TheOtherWhiteNerd2 (talkcontribs) 01:38, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah....this seems like a really stupid list to meDreadKaiser (talkcontribs) 01:40, March 20, 2014 (UTC)
I am one of many Yugioh players who hate the idea of having fun with a balanced game and I feel like this list caters to my needs
Seriously though, this is probably the worst (or at least one of the worst) update for the banlist I've seen. I'll give them credit though, at least they made good choices on what should go to one, but I'm pretty sure they shot themselves in the foot with everything else, especially Primal Seed to 3.

-User:PhantomSynchron 01:42, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Small correction, it's "Necroface" not "Lonefire". No more "Jackpot 7" OTK, but hey, it's possible to do the "Primal Seed" OTK now xD --Missign0 (talkcontribs) 01:45, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

This is probably one of the worst banlist updates i have ever seen. They didn't hit Geargia/karakuri, Mermails are gonna still be topping, and why ban morphing jar 2. and Good job for hitting Infernity Barrier and RekindlingGuardian Skunk (talkcontribs) 02:00, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Honestly, I thought Konami of America had learned to hit the top-tier decks to promote the new ones. This list just doesn't do any of that. They hit half of the top-tier decks and than made other completely random decisions that are just like, "What? Seriously, Konami?"

TheOtherWhiteNerd2 (talkcontribs) 02:18, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

WhiteNerd2, they basically did what you said:
"I started playing Hieratic Rulers this format, and you know what? The deck wasn't broken. Go figure, right? You say we need to ban them "for the health of the game", but the game is healthier right now then it has been for years, almost everyone can agree on that." --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 02:48, March 20, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, the game is healthier... I guess I'm just kinda stunned that my predictions were so far off :P

TheOtherWhiteNerd2 (talkcontribs) 02:56, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

We're all kinda stunned. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 02:58, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

More interesting News

Beelze of the Diabolic Dragons, he's coming to TCG! --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 02:58, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

With Triple Mezuki, Triple Mali, and triple Plague running around, I guess it'll be easy for Zombies to drop him, he'll be quite a pain. Only a few cards like 101 and D-Prison can get rid of him easily. Ninety-eight (talkcontribs) 10:35, March 20, 2014 (UTC)
On another note, this is a brilliant move by Konami. Beelze is going to be wanted, and Premium Gold will sell, and of will it sell. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 02:51, March 21, 2014 (UTC)

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