Insufficient reference Edit

A wiki should not contain speculation and interpretation of references whithout denoting them as such. The article makes a statement which is not an original statement, but speculation far beyond what was originally posted in the reference given. I thus request that the part about differences between OCG and TCG be either removed or the reference be extended so it links the actual ruling where an official source says what happens (which, as far as I know, does not exist, so basically, I request the removal of that part). Scenia (talk • contribs) 23:49, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

This is the part in question, in [], the problems are denoted:

In the OCG, it is ruled that Xyz Materials are not considered to be cards[reference needed], and thus cannot be considered cards on the field.[useless comment in this context] In the TCG, Kevin Tewart has announced that they are considered on the field.[1, this reference needs a link to this actual statement] So in the TCG, Reborn Tengu can activate its effect when it is detached.[speculation whithout reference]

If there is a reference for the latter part, again a link to the actual statement is needed, but there is no such statement to my knowledge. Scenia (talk • contribs) 23:54, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

There was a link, and that link to the reference had the proof; you just weren't looking hard enough.

So then Tengu would get It's effect when detached? I've been getting assaulted with this question for quite some time.

Kevin Tewart: Yes, Tengu leaves the field when he's detached. As I said before.

-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 00:17, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

I'm very sorry, the link doesn't seem to work here. I clicked on everything that was clickable and the text you quoted was on none of the pages I landed on. Please give me the right link again as I seem to be unable to find it myself.

Also, I'm very sorry again, but what you quoted seems to be displayed incorrectly here. All I see posted by Kevin Tewart is "Yes, Tengu leaves the field when he's detached. As I said before." I don't see anything pointing out that his effect activates. In this context, I would like to refer to a statement of that same Kevin Tewart, which I unfortunately don't find any more, stating that everything he says should be taken literally and no assumptions or interpretations should be done. Respecting this request from the author, I unfortunately must reject this quote as a reference to Tengu activating his effect. Another reason for this is that it is not entirely clear his post is in response to the question you posted. If the original context makes this clear, I apologize for questioning the context given, but have to ask for a link again.

Thanks a lot in advance for providing me with the evidence needed to make the page meet the requirements of a wiki page. Scenia (talk • contribs) 00:30, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

The question is, does "Reborn Tengu" get its effect. Kevin answers yes. It seems pretty straightforward to me.

I added a link to the OCG rulebook, where it states that Xyz Materials are not treated as cards on the field. --Deus Ex Machina ✉ 04:02, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

First of all, thanks for the added reference. Link to Kevin's statement still missing though.

As far as I know the architecture of facebook comments, it cannot be said without doubt that his statement is in reply to the question quoted. Since he doesn't reference the question in any way, interpreting his "Yes" as "he gets his effect" might be a little overhasty. Scenia (talk • contribs) 10:28, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

It does contain it... maybe you're not clicking the 'View previous comments' button. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 11:00, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

You can't really expect someone looking up the original reference to search for anything similar to what is written on the page (which isn't even remotely a literal quote) inside a facebook group. You'd have to know exactly what you're looking for to even be able to find it. And it would still take a lot of time, getting more each day. In a year, looking that up would take hours just to click on "view previous comments" often enough for the comment in question to show up, and again you would have to know exactly what you're looking for (in what case there's no need to look it up since you know it already). Anything but a permalink is just insufficient as a reference. This is like giving "The Lord of the Rings" as a reference for "Hobbits have hair on their feet". A reference must be precise and easy to find. 95.117.224.179 (talk) 14:38, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

I clicked the 'View previous comments' button; which imo seemed obvious to do first.

Ctrl+F and typed in Tengu and it was the first thing.

Didn't seem very hard, and took like 5 seconds. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 01:52, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Well, either did he change his mind or you indeed did misunderstand his statement. The new rulebook has been posted on the official website and clears this up. I don't see any difference to the OCG. Please adapt the Rulings page to these clarifications including references. Thanks a lot in advance! Scenia (talk • contribs) 03:53, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

I knew, but you're just make it worst. Please let at least dest, Deus, Falzar, or ever ATEM unscrew it off there and reject it down. We cannot do it legal because we are not full master Judge at that point now. --FredCat 03:55, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

They changed their mind. It's being discussed at Forum:Xyz Materials. The pages will be changed soon. I have no objections to removing the differences box. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:57, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Good thing I brought that up, hm? --FredCat 04:01, September 2, 2011 (UTC)